Poor Prison officers having to deal with this today.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

Disgusting, poor prison officers.

What to do with scum like this?

As if it wasn't bad enough about the bombing he planned, he now wants to attack staff?
Do we need him?

These things don't happen all the time though do they? Especially not to staff. I can imagine he'll get a kicking back on the wing by anyone who liked the officers

Just to clarify, my family member said that they could have been paid a lot more money if they relocated to Ireland but they didn't want to take the chance with the added security implications. I think my point it, these risks aren't new.

He shouldn’t be allowed human contact. He is inhuman.
one room with an automatic door to an outside area that is opened for an hour a day for exercise. Food and drink popped through a hatch.
This should be his maximum privilege.
Hate to say it, but I do think in cases like this. No doubt of his guilt, no remorse, no hope - why is he being kept alive?

They must have some kind of cooking facilities on the unit. You know, to make things nicer for them whilst in jail. This will most certainly be taken away now from them. Good. They don't deserve to have this facility do they? And now will have to suffer jail food.

The amount of pain and suffering from a decision made a while back. Perhaps we should look at why we got it wrong.

I accept that many would like a referendum about reinstating the death penalty for the most heinous of crimes (not so much for everyday murder maybe) I am averse to this as it is a golden opportunity for the politically cultists to become eternal martyrs & pin-ups for coming generations.

I don't know much about the revised jail system in El Salvador but understand that it seeks to purge civilian society of the heavily entrenched frug cartels and gang culture that has deeply destabilised that nation. The images of the many prisoners stripped to barest essentials is striking. What is significantly different is how the highly trained & heavily protected/anonymised guards interact - or rather don't - in the most minimal way with harsh penalties for disobedience.

I doubt that such a prison regime is possible here in the UK for many reasons, e.g. money, time, political will & overall culture, as we are not in the desperate & now improving state of El Salvador.

However I do wonder if El Salvador prison service would accept 'paying guests' courtesy of HMGovt?

We need to bw able to instantly deport people like this. Or better still, find a way to identify and not let them in in the first place.

Its horrendous that we allow people like this to spread their warped viewpoint in the UK. I work with someone who was married and pregnant at 14, brought over from Pakistan to marry an older man. The man had grown up in the UK! These extemists should face the full force of the law, not be allowed to operate and spread their disgusting message. It shouldn't be possible to grow up in the UK and think child marriage is ok.

It's insane we allow people to claim asylum then return to the country they've fled as an active fighter, then come back. I know they'd likely have settled status by then but it's just such a flag of risk it beggars belief they weren't under more surveillance.

Fully agree with you. I’m white, but an immigrant, and if my fellow countrymen were going around plotting terror attacks and attacking prison guards, the last thing I would worry about would be whether reporting on this could be perceived as “racist dog whistle”.

I am not disagreeing with you, the point was his future is pretty grim and it was quite right to set an example of 55 years sentence.

He’s in one of the new separation centres at Frankland. Easy to check the blade is still in on a unit like that, I think they simply sit sharpening the knives all day. It’s known that the cons on that unit refuse to engage with staff, why they have oil in the kitchen is beyond me but apparently so. What’s wrong with frylight ffs.

Cost a fortune to put these centres in but no stab proof vests for staff. Complete joke, I couldn’t do it anymore either. So sad at what has become of the service but it was inevitable. The last government and VEDS killed any chance that we had left

@JudgeMenthol
I don’t understand why prisoners are allowed lighters … smoking is classed as a non essential / luxury item … not to mention setting fires to bedding / people etc…
our prison system does not help itself

You're right - The Prison Service not helping itself again.
Some Prisons now are smoke free, perhaps that should be the case for all, although I'm sure someone would challenge that as being against their human rights, and use Legal Aid to do so.

Going on what @CountryQueen has posted, making cooking facilities a available in areas where prisoners are separated for a reason seems to be pandering to prisoners.
I had previously requested additional staff for a specific duty, citing possible repercussions, to be told "we don't work on 'what ifs' "... staffing levels are woefully inadequate.

This. If they like Libya so much why can't we send them back permanently?

This twat just needs putting down. We wouldn’t tolerate it from a dog and this cunt is a much lesser life form

I'm with @AbsolutelyZero
This 'thing' contributes nothing to humanity apart from horror. I'd happily give him a lethal injection
with my own fair hands.

Human rights.

Cooking facilities! He's a sick bastard.

How can it be we make hospitals smoke free and offer nicotine replacements...why can't they just be offered that?!

Don't segregate terrorists, paedophiles, etc.
Put them in with other prisoners & let rough justice take its course.

What a horrible post.

The guy is evil. He helped plot a bike terrorist attack, he then attacked prison officers in 2022 and now attacked 3 more in a most vile way.

You come along and shout racism. He's just evil.

Someone who murders as many innocents as this vile specimen did ought to be kept in solitary confinement for the rest of its miserable life.

Maybe it’s because he is a high profile prisoner due to the number of children he murdered. If it was someone who committed a low level crime then it probably wouldn’t have even made the news.

Prisoners are not allowed lighters. All prisons in England have been smoke-free since 2016. Prisoners can and do vape (separate set of issues) but they cannot smoke. I've seen men sent back to closed conditions from open prisons for smoking and bringing in tobacco.

But this is a bit of a weird derail, because Hashem Abedi didn't blow smoke in officers' faces. The POA says he made knives out of a baking tray - if that's correct, how did noone notice a missing baking tray? We don't help ourselves sometimes.

Agree, it’s his profile as brother to the bomber and the extent of the attack that makes this news.

I’m all for hanging.