Afghan women being denied refuge by government

[Maitri108]

It's very disturbing that Afghan women are having their claims turned down. We're all aware of how women can't work or speak in public. Human rights defenders are in grave danger and are being told that they don't face persecution if they go back.

26 women in 2024 had their claims rejected which is absolutely appalling.

Yet not full for 250,000 Ukrainian refugees.

What I don't understand is that our birth and fertility rate is falling, we are top heavy in age meaning we need more carers and caring professions. How are we "full"? The VAT on private schools has been trotted out with "there are plenty of spaces in state schools for them all to move into state sector" yet we don't seem to have space for more people in anything else? I think if they can work bring them in, they can be therapists and doctors for the homeless who need addiction issues sorting out, help us with our CAHMs backlog. Get those homeless and mentally unwell people who want to work back to it.

I think it means we're closed to brown Muslims. People are saying that we don't have room for a human rights defender whose life is in danger, but we do have room for immigrants who come in their thousands to work.

How on earth would that work ?

I got the answers. Stop aiding the destruction and destabilising of foreign countries and open trade routes with them. Then increase joint state-public ownership and management of assets and resources.

I'd love to have a better understanding of all this.

I've read a fair bit about western involvement in areas such as Iraq and Afghanistan and see how much worse things have been for some resultantly. I need to learn more. The majority of the public won't fully understand this either. They don't exactly promote awareness to this understandably.

Google UK interference in West Asia and enjoy the horrors.

The West, predominantly the US and UK, have been interfering in the ME for decades. IMO they're largely responsible for the current refugee crisis.

I'm going to do this. I can imagine it's grotesque behaviour on the part of the West.

Best to keep an open mind if you're not already aware of a lot of the issues, Wishyouwerehere50 and to read responsibly as opposed to outlets dedicated to one point of view only

If it's actual news you're after Reuters and Associated Press, while not perfect, are often better than most, and for overviews I'd recommend finding a reputable scholar to guide you through it

While it can be hard work the results are worth it IME, and at least you'd avoid the shrieking headlines of the hideously biased rags, the lobbyists who've completely sold out and more

Personally, I would send all the people who are keen on denying refuge to Afghan women to Afghanistan. But that’s just me I guess.

They could demonstrate how to 'effect change'.

Why would allowing entry to women under a certain asylum scheme mean accepting their male relatives?

The amount of people who think Britain alone in the world accepts asylum seekers is just….sigh.

Why can’t people read more?!

Oh you need to read between the lines.

We are full to brown muslims. For thousands of Ukranians we have all the space in the world.

It stands to reason that people will flee to neighbouring countries. I'm not sure why people think we're the only country in the world taking in asylum seekers.

I’m not sure the West are responsible for how women and girls are currently treated in Afghanistan and some other countries.

The decision to hold them as almost prisoners is down to the current rulers. The laws they bring in, which are getting worse, could be lifted if they wanted to.

99% of claims are approved, so why are you making a big deal out of 26 people?

Because those 26 people are actual humans who will almost certainly suffer persecution, torture and/or death if deported to Afghanistan?

I wish you were one of the 26 in question instead tbh.

I thought you were against "western interference" in Afghanistan Maitri108? And what happens when it's found that too many Afghans don't want change - at least not the type which would further women's interests?

Nobody pretends that what's happening is pretty, but I've yet to see any workable suggestions for what can actually be done about it and which won't lead to yet more claims that everything's the west's fault

I wasn't being serious.

Your sarcasm detector needs some tuning.

I've heard this type of argument alot but will you? It seems to be the common answer but will you actually go and help a British homeless person? Maybe even just one since you don't think you should help this particular lady.

If you don't do that either then neither party is getting helped and that argument just creates smug apathy (imho). Not that I'm in any way perfect but this thread has made me decide to write to my MP.

Well, quite. Do we interfere in an independent nation in the Middle East again, or not? Is there a right meddling and a wrong meddling? Most of these women will not speak English and will have small children to care for and won’t be able to work for a long time. How do we support them?

The West is not responsible for how the Taliban treat women. The US however, funded and encouraged extremist Islam in its fight against the USSR.

You'll be interested to know that Al Qaida was funded and trained by the US. Fast forward, Trump negotiated with the Taliban and released thousands of extremists before leaving Afghanistan to its fate after its invasion and occupation.

Western interference in Iran, Syria, Yemen, Iraq and the consequences are a sight to behold.