Afghan women being denied refuge by government

[Maitri108]

It's very disturbing that Afghan women are having their claims turned down. We're all aware of how women can't work or speak in public. Human rights defenders are in grave danger and are being told that they don't face persecution if they go back.

26 women in 2024 had their claims rejected which is absolutely appalling.

Another kind soul suggested that Afghan women work towards change yet here you are saying why would you be so stupid to do that.

Exactly. People in these volatile and dangerous places simply can't win.

Having read the article, everything in me says this is wrong. And it feels like another one of those gaslighting cases, denial of absolute reality. The claim is she'll be ok because she has adequate protection and support. Er no. In Afghanistan? No way on earth. She says herself this so called supportive network has fled.

The problem is out of control it seems yet none of us can rely on anything we're told.

I really dislike these YouTube weirdos carrying out 'audits'. It did show me a few things though. These annoying YouTube guys turn up at hotels housing migrants all over the country to just goad the public with their footage. They will try get some information out the men there in all these hotels. Many are there for years awaiting processing. They will declare how many years and that they can't work whilst waiting. They're all men, always men.

It's a mess. I don't doubt the legitimacy of the people but you just can't discern one case from an other on face value. Why are they always men.

I'd rather this brave lady was entitled to remain any day.

If we had reliable stats we could believe. And I don't feel we ever do get that. Then, we can look at the cases and I believe it's going to be disproportionately men clogging up the backlog of cases awaiting assessment. I don't believe men in Afghanistan are all having a fab time, yet, do you all realise what life is like to be a woman there?

I don't know if we have a prioritisation point system but sure to God a female in Afghanistan of all places deserves protection. The hotels are wall to wall men.

Why are so few not concerned that many of ones that are given asylum, including women, don't want to integrate and are want to continue living with the same beliefs and culture as the country they have left behind?

The thread isn't about some people not wanting to integrate. It's about Afghan women being turned down for refuge.

@Maitri108

Are there any Islamic countries offering them refuge or is it just us?

I'm not sure what the point of that comment is. Afghan women are being turned away and sent back to Afghanistan where they're living in prison like conditions and their lives are at risk. Meanwhile you're absorbed in whataboutery.

Surely this shit making women go against their own men and their own culture started from the West, which now refuses to back it up.

Making women go against their men? Men who believe women should be covered from head to toe, not be educated, not leave their homes? Men who don’t allow them to sing or speak? Or seek healthcare?

You think those women should submit to their men? Fuck me!

And what do you expect the world to do exactly?

I don’t agree with how women are being treated in Afghanistan, but the fact is that it’s not for us to decide how another country should be run and to demand that it be run according to our standards. It could be argued that by going in there in the first place and introducing a more western lifestyle we have actually made things worse than they were already.

And no-one here would agree with another country wading in here and telling us how to live.

We might not agree with how they operate but it cuts both ways.

Not forgetting that we left them to it.

i agree - id welcome them all.

so any people wander round still slapping themselves on the back for opposing apartheid in SA and ignoring this

@Never2many bollocks - that’s the same as saying uou can’t intervene with domestic violence that’s behind closed doors.

That argument used to be used regarding FGM and so called honour based violence.

"Let's not interfere, it's their culture to throw acid at each other."

Great I’ll tell my Afghan female friend here. She was a doctor in her home country….here she’s relegated to a GP assistant while she perfects her English and does the exams needed. Shes going to be a fantastic GP. But sure I’ll tell her change has to come from within the country and tell her to head back.

Jewish people didn’t come from 1 country though did they? And they were not the majority in any 1 country at all until the creation of Israel. They had zero opportunity to effect change.

This doesn't make sense. Afghan women are basically prisoners and are beaten, sexually assaulted and killed if they speak out.

The woman featured in the article is a human rights defender who fled because her life was in danger. How on earth are women meant to 'effect change'?

I haven't read the RFRL but she is a member of a particular social group unless there are specific reasons in her particular case to exempt her. So I think in all likelihood one of the following things is true:

1. she will be granted at appeal; or
2. there is evidence to suggest that her particular support network is still intact.

The only real life example I can compare this to is my own. We have Local Authorities telling parents and children their SEN kids are doing just fine in a mainstream setting. That the support is adequate. The gaslighting is on a scale only thousands of parents in this situation understand. Lying, denial and minimising. It feels like that's akin to what they're doing here, yet the consequence for such women are obviously significantly more catastrophic than my example!

The reason cited in the reference article for refusal does not sit right. The lady is from Afghanistan of all places and she actively represents the antithesis of what the Taliban stands for. This support network? I'm not buying it.

We're full to the brim as it is.

But the reason for the lack of SEN support is the same as the reason we don’t take in all the Afghan women.

Finances.

No one is suggesting that we give asylum to millions of Afghan women.

We are full

Not necessarily.

Things can be done that don't lead to a reliance upon pervasive systemic gaslighting - only perpetuated by people saying ' no money innit'.

Is the rejection of this claim justifiable ( if we use the money excuse) when we have thousands of men sat in hotels awaiting assessment at great cost. When you consider risk factors, who is possibly what I'd call of greater worth? And to be brutal, potential to actively contribute in some admirable means with the experience and background.

We can't trust much of what we are being told. Only people living these realities know that smoke and mirrors is a tactic to evade many things.

That might be so. I hear this. I also don't advocate ' everyone come' either.

Would you rather this lady at significant risk or the hotels full of young men who I'd hazard a guess will stand a better chance of survival than this lady will back in Costa del Afghan.

Realistically we can’t take everyone when our country is in the state it is. There must be genuine reasons for her to be turned down which haven’t been published in this article because it wants to pull at people’s heart strings. If she genuinely has a case then I’m sure she’ll be successful when she appeals.

It is always interesting to me why countries don't stipulate only women and children when looking at asylum. We know they are most affected in war, we know they rarely start or have interest in the wars. We know women in such places as Afghanistan can't leave their house or sing, let alone engage in criminal behaviour. These are the people we should be actively helping and helping their next generation of boys not be like the men in their current generation via education.