Afghan women being denied refuge by government

[Maitri108]

It's very disturbing that Afghan women are having their claims turned down. We're all aware of how women can't work or speak in public. Human rights defenders are in grave danger and are being told that they don't face persecution if they go back.

26 women in 2024 had their claims rejected which is absolutely appalling.

The decision was made on her not being in danger of persecution

I know, @Maitri108, and on the face of it I agree that her reported activities might be expected to have put her at risk

However not having been privy to the decision and all the details behind it I wouldn't want to assume it's wrong and that she's some poor innocent woman being hung out to dry

The problem is that we cannot grant asylum to every Afghan woman (and men for that matter) on the grounds that they live in a country with a terrible government. To get asylum they need to be specifically worse off than average citizens of their country eg we grant asylum for political refugees because their activism has made them a special target. There are many countries whose citizens are repressed remember

Why doesn't it make sense, its what asylum is for! They are arguably the most oppressed group of people in the world, but they get refused whilst boat fulls of young healthy men get granted access? I know who I'd rather help.

@saraclara says "Why crowd fund for her to go to a different one? Simply so that tax payers of a different nationality support her"?
Precisely that, Why do you think it is legitimate for you to expect the UK tax-payer to fund her?
Do you still believe in the Left Wing money tree that has free money?
What do we owe her? Nothing What obligation do I have to her? None
You may think it would be nice for her, and it will give you a nice warm glow if you can achieve it.
How much are you personally willing to commit? A few hundred pounds or what?

This.

Everyone says ‘but what about Ukraine’ but Ukrainians are fighting tooth and nail for their country and it’s likely the vast majority will return home once a more stable position is reached.

We can’t just take in anyone whose life is in danger sadly. We can’t be a world with half the population crowded into a few small countries while the rest is ruled by unchallenged dictators.

Fucking hell this thread is depressing - the lack of compassion and the naivety about the competence UK asylum system. The idea that if someone is turned down it must definitely be for a good reason, maybe because they’re a criminal.

if the decision-making process is so bloody wonderful why do about 50% of legal challenges tp rejection succeed?

These poor women. I hope if you’re ever in danger of your life you are met with more humanity.

Yet men are given leave to remain in this country despite being convicted of rape and/or murder on ‘human rights’ grounds because of the possibility of being frowned on in their country for being rapists and murderers.

I’d rather we swapped them all for the Afghan women.

They'd have protested the Kindertransport. "They must have done something wrong."🤔

But that we would have to take ALL Afghan women . I think the compassionate features are to do with the people apply having some special issues, not being treated exactly the same as every other woman in their country

I don't understand what you mean. She's a human rights defender and risks her life going back.

You were saying about the treatment of women in Afghanistan in general. If that was the case then we can't take all Afghan women

And surely she CHOSE to become a human rights worker. Knowing the risks she put herself in. Nobody forced her

I was talking about Afghan women and the woman in the article. There's no danger of us taking in 20m women so I'm not sure why you're mentioning it.

You're being ridiculous saying that she chose to help people therefore she gets what she deserves.

Sometimes I read something like that second paragraph and wonder if there's actually a human being behind it.

Which countries would greet us with humanity and an open border programme if the government decided to oppress us? I’m genuinely curious as to who you think would reciprocate?

It wouldn't be a single country, it would be countries signed up to the Refugee convention. In a similar way to the way Ukrainians fleeing the war were helped.

A pragmatic human being. Why on earth wouldn't you choose to do something that you knew would cause you mega trouble then expect a random country to rescue you?

Not everyone is a sociopath pragmatic. Some are driven to help others for example, they set up charities, volunteer or defend the powerless. They don't deserve punishment for risking their lives to help.

Another kind soul suggested that Afghan women work towards change yet here you are saying why would you be so stupid to do that.

Shitting hell. The lack of knowledge on this thread is off the scale. For the people who don't get it, go read up about why people (and in particular women) from Afghanistan are seeking asylum in this country in the first place. Learn about the way the UK fucked up along with the US in leaving Afghanistan after we'd gone in there and caused a mess.

And no, we are never gonna have the whole fucking world seeking asylum here cos that's ridiculous. Honestly, it's a shit show here and it's not the fault of the people fleeing persecution but the fault of the rich, greedy bastards who fuck us over then blame the easiest people to blame.

Fucks sake, makes me so cross.

It's not sociopathic to realise actions have consequences.

It’s not ‘open borders’ to comply with our obligations to refugees under international conventions. I know these sort of things are out of fashion but they were put in place for a reason. Do you think countries that refused admission to refugee Jews in the 1930s were doing the right thing?

The Kindertransport has been mentioned on this thread, but it existed in that form because the UK wouldn’t let adults in. But I suppose that’s ok, we “didn’t owe them anything”.

It's sociopathic to not want to help people in danger of torture or death. Then to blame them for bringing it upon themselves because they helped other people.

Most female 'Afghan' refugees are actually Pakistani. Afghan women who need refuge really struggle to leave Afghanistan.

She worked for Western backed government projects, wouldn't be too hard to check. Her rejection letter doesn't say she was rejected for being Pakistani.

I don't get any of this. Surely this shit making women go against their own men and their own culture started from the West, which now refuses to back it up. How the women can oppose their regyme and what change will happen in society whose men don't want that change unless like you go and bomb their whole place down and now as it happens in another area the people are called ( fairly so) monsters.

The west has to make their bloody mind up what they want to change and to go for it. Otherwise you have to let the people be.