To think that “mental load” is just another way to moan about normal adult life?

[ByNimbleCrow]

Everyone has responsibilities. Why do women act like keeping track of household tasks is some unique burden?

@gannett I’m the same. As for the household stuff - how much “household management” really is there? Everything can be automated online. Direct debits for all bills/rent/mortgage/insurance/subscriptions, repeat food deliveries. Cleaning and laundry should be split between adults obviously and if one partner didn’t do it I simply wouldn’t wash their clothes. I agree on the “traditional masculine” man and useless misogynist partner Venn diagram being a circle, too - that’s a huge red flag in my book, not the kind of man to aspire to be with.

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He’s got it easy - putting the bins out - 10 minutes once a week. Mowing the lawn - doesn’t need doing in the winter and then (dependant upon the size of your garden) a hour or so every fortnight. How often do things need fixing - hopefully only occasionally.

Dressing the DC’s is an every day job whilst they are little - does he at least go and buy their clothes? I don’t understand what school mum friendships are or why that would be a mental load? Surely any father would want to be taking responsibility for their DC’s birthday parties and presents?

I see things like this and just think there’s no way this was written by a mum🤣

You’ll never be able to convince me that it’s as easy doing a weekly shop for just yourself, by yourself, as it is to do a shop for a family with kids in tow.

It’s also not just about the scheduled appointments (although again, riddle me how you think it’s super easy to occupy multiple young kids for 2 fucking hours in a dentist office😂), it’s about the sick days, are they poorly enough to be off nursery/school? Do I send them in? Call to say they need to be collected, who’s going? Can I take a day off? When can I catch the work up? The other one is then off 2 days later, so there’s another day sorted. Fab!

It isn’t particularly taxing at all. By school age (5 or 6) my DC were packing their own bags for holidays and I’d do a quick check to ensure nothing obvious missing. Me and DH always pack our own bags. Everything being booked required DH and I to compare schedules and discuss, the act of pushing buttons to book a time doesn’t take long.

Oh not this goady nonsense again. It's simply a phrase to describe being the default parent/domestic person in the home. It's about feeling you've got a lot of things you're responsible for (often when your partner should be sharing some of it). The fact that it's common and consists of normal, everyday things does not mean people aren't allowed to have a phrase to describe it . Oh and the phrase may be fairly new, but having a moan about the daily grind (while also 'just getting on with it') is not.

I think it's this - and it's the ages usually once they start school to late primary when they are too young to sort stuff.

The endless dress-up days - school trip funding - after school activites - doesn't help I find that who ever you put first they rang me about stuff - and fun project work x 3 every half term often needing supplies.

Is used to they and get the kids to check before leaving house for stuff - but if they forgot refrain from school was all well Mummy forgot and attitude if I wasnlt picking up phone immedaitely. Mummy being busy despite many of the teachers and staff being working Mums seemed not to compute.

I get that frustration and I agree than an uneven split isn’t fair. But I wonder if framing it as a ‘mental load’ makes it seem like a separate, unique struggle rather than just part of life’s responsibilities. If a man isn’t pulling his weight at home, isn’t the issue that he’s just not being a good partner rather than some broader systemic injustice? There are plenty of women who also don’t step up in relationships but we don’t frame it in the same way. I guess I’m just questioning whether the way we talk about it is helpful in actually changing things.

Twenty years ago I would have thought the same as you. You have shit to do, you do the shit, bingo, a life.
What's changed is partly societal. We are wasting a lot of time with smartphones and chat rooms and Messenger...There is less time because we fritter it and we kind of see that as our right, somehow? Because it's relaxing? I'm not sure I felt that I had a right to leisure time (ie an hour with my phone in my hand) back then and even if I did it would have been reading a book.
Partly as well there is a lot more talk about the mental health effects of peri menopause so women reaching 45-50 and finding they are burned out domestically is something we are sharing.
Also let's face it men are still a pain

Mental load = calendar, spreadsheets, post-its and a monthly visit to Card Factory. It's well within my intellectual and organisational capacities

I'll take mental load over bins and lawnmowing any day.

It’s not just an uneven split, though, @ByNimbleCrow - too many men completely opt out of these responsibilities.

Of course it's systemic. And there's no shortage of statistics showing that women still do the lion's share of the domestic load (oops, sorry - the normal adult tasks) even when both partners work full time.

I am a mother. Yes it’s not that hard to do a weekly shop either way. And I’ve done them with one in the trolley seat and an infant in a baby bjorn strapped to my chest. Yes it’s easy to occupy kids for two hours at the dentist, I never had any problems with it. Sick days, we mostly erred on keep them home so much easier than agonising over and risking being called to pick them up. Taking time off work when the DC are sick doesn’t fall under “mental load” it’s more of a parenting responsibility. Coordinating who stayed off work to care for them we discussed the evening before or morning of sick child.

Today it’s even easier than when mine were small. You can have the weekly shop delivered any morning before work/school or evening after work or weekend.

I see things like this and just think there’s no way this was written by a mum🤣

This is as bad as the you disagree so must be a man. Some women just can’t accept they have agency and doesn’t have to be so difficult.

It is just life admin that you’d have to do anyway until you have children. Then it’s a lot more work and admin to manage their lives and it shouldn’t fall on one parent if the other is present.

Before we had the DC I was doing 99% of the life admin for our household (me and DH). It didn’t feel like a burden because it wasn’t double the work and I like organising things. I still would have paid the rent, bills and done the shopping if I was single. When DC1 was a baby I was so exhausted and overwhelmed that I forgot to renew our house insurance. That’s when DH realised that it was getting too much for one person to manage and picked up the slack. It’s close to 50-50 now as it should be.

Tbf many women refuse to delegate or relinquish control over these things.

Why were you doing 99% of it, though?

I'm a single parent to two teens. I work FT. They both do a couple of activities that require me to drive them around. One has ADHD and has required a fair bit of extra stuff relating to CAMHS. Over the years it's always been me who has to juggle work, their illnesses, appointments etc. Anything / everything on the home front is down to me, though they will do tasks if asked, I have to organise the resources. This week my fridge broke and the car needs to go back into the garage. The weather turning means the garden needs sorting from it's winter state to make it presentable. The kids' tech is tied to Google family and Microsoft family so I get pinged for permission for this and that. It's a million tiny things that I have to juggle and I'm pretty good at it but yes I think it deserves a bit of recognition.

There is no reason why it cannot be both a relationship dynamic issue AND a gendered struggle. There's enough of it going on for it to be more than merely "definite cases".It would be disingenous to pretend that although gender roles have evolved over time, they still don't trend toward traditional and stereotypical notions. There are academic studies on this you can easily look up. Mental load refers to behind the scenes emotional and cognitive work to meet the needs of every family member. which largely falls on women. And as for "then why don't just you leave you partner, teach your kids etc.," life isn't as easy as all that.

Agree! I’ve read threads where the mother has posted she doesn’t trust her DH to dress the children in coordinated clothes or buy presents for the DC’s friends birthdays. Words fail me!

The statistics are based on a small sample of families self reporting how many hours they think they spend on household duties. This is an highly unreliable way of gathering data.

It also combines and averages all family types so Single mums who are more common are in with single dads, and SAHM families are clumped in with dual FT working parent households and families where an adult is a FT unpaid carer.

The statistics are not good for any useful generalisation.

Or they have to be the one to take DC to the doctor because they don’t trust their DH to communicate with the doctor all the symptoms.

They’d still have to talk to each other though presumably.

@ByNimbleCrow I think that many men rely on their partner to do a lot of the adulting for them. When there aren’t kids in the picture, it’s doable. But when kids come along.. the adulting required increased at least fourfold, and there is a lot less time to do it in (especially the early years)

Making someone aware of something that needs to be done is not delegating 🙄

I think it's often used by women who don't contribute much/anything financially to the household to justify their not doing much work.