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Calling my unborn baby they/them

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Irish24 · 28/03/2025 03:19

I am keeping the gender a surprise and the amount of people that are confused when I refer to the baby as they/them’ is starting to aggravate me. I don’t like referring to them as ‘it’ or just ‘baby’. They/them is a word and has been going around for centuries. It also is a singular pronoun and does not always mean multiple. My friends say they can’t get their head around it. I don’t understand. I know they/them is a controversial topic these days and more people are perhaps finding out the gender. I still don’t find it confusing at all and it never even occurred to me that it would be. Anyone else experienced this or am I being over dramatic here? It’s just tiresome having to constantly explain to people, I don’t know the gender so that’s why I’m calling the baby ‘them/they’

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TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 28/03/2025 05:45

PeriPeriMam · 28/03/2025 05:42

It really is a singular pronoun, whatever else you think about the whole thing.

Then please provide an example where it is used in literature/cinema/the stage, as a singular denominator rather than in relation to non-binary.
Prove your assertion

ladyofshertonabbas · 28/03/2025 05:47

It is tiresome, will annoy people and they will ask you for clarification.

SleepyZzz · 28/03/2025 05:48

I don’t know about you being ‘dramatic’. But you’re being ridiculous. Baby sounds better than “they/them” unless of course you’re having twins. Are you having twins?

All this silly nonsense around pronouns. 🙄

WmmW · 28/03/2025 05:50

CurlewKate · 28/03/2025 05:35

Could you say more about this?

Someone has fallen overboard. Quick, save them, they are going to drown!

Someone has stolen my lunch from the work fridge. What an arsehole they even took my dessert.

It's used to talk about a singular person when you can't see or don't know their sex.

Mere1 · 28/03/2025 05:51

Bringbackjaspers · 28/03/2025 04:17

Is this a trap? Feels like a trick question. Are you speaking of gender or sex? Are you of the personal opinion that sex and gender are exactly the same thing, hence interchangeable, or are you one who believes the two are separate.

Using they/them means something different depending on your answer.

You can refer to your unborn child in whatever way you want, no matter what your reasoning.

I don't care for it when people use baby like it's the kids name. As in, "and how's Baby today". 🤮

This.

daisychain01 · 28/03/2025 05:51

Irish24 · 28/03/2025 04:32

I just don’t get why it’s confusing!

I don’t understand. I know they/them is a controversial topic these days and more people are perhaps finding out the gender.

GrammarTeacher · 28/03/2025 05:52

BlondiePortz · 28/03/2025 04:41

I dont remeber it being used longer than about 5 years or so ago, sure use it all you like no one can stop you but these days seems weird no matter how you want people to react

I just used baby or the baby ie "when the baby is here" or "I am taking the baby for a walk" (as a joke when I was pregnant)

Well it goes back at least as far as Chaucer so…
It’s not new. Pronouns have always been a ‘thing’. I love looking at pronoun choices in a text - tells you a lot.
In OP’s case it merely tells us they’re not announcing gender yet (look I used singular they and it makes perfect sense!).

Toomuch2019 · 28/03/2025 05:52

I think you’re using “they/them” fine in the context and it’s something that is a standard use of the English language.

It’s super annoying that anyone would think this is even a statement. I quite often use it-interchangeably with she/he or if I don’t know the sex of a client (eg their name is Alex but I’ve only seen the email not spoken to). I don’t see how this is any different. Congrats on your pregnancy OP

abracadabra1980 · 28/03/2025 05:56

They/them is unnecessarily tiresome. You are being a pita.

MythicalCat · 28/03/2025 06:00

Toomuch2019 · 28/03/2025 05:52

I think you’re using “they/them” fine in the context and it’s something that is a standard use of the English language.

It’s super annoying that anyone would think this is even a statement. I quite often use it-interchangeably with she/he or if I don’t know the sex of a client (eg their name is Alex but I’ve only seen the email not spoken to). I don’t see how this is any different. Congrats on your pregnancy OP

Well, it is different.

If you saw a cute baby and you didn’t know the sex, would you say, Look at that baby! It’s so cute!’ Or would you say ‘Look at that baby. They’re so cute! Look at their face!’

The second is unnatural and ‘it’ is perfectly normal here. Whereas you wouldn’t call your client Alex ‘it’! And ‘they’ in that context is correct as you say.

LifeD1lemma · 28/03/2025 06:01

It’s just ambiguous.

You could be having twins (probably the most obvious meaning), you could be trying to make a wanky point about gender identity, you could be saying that you don’t know the sex.

So people are not necessarily “confused” when they ask you what you mean, they’re just resolving the ambiguity, which is not unreasonable.

I think not finding out is lovely. I didn’t either and I just referred to “the baby” and “he or she”, which is completely clear and unambiguous and takes maybe a teeny fraction of a second longer to say than “they”.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 28/03/2025 06:01

abracadabra1980 · 28/03/2025 05:56

They/them is unnecessarily tiresome. You are being a pita.

How is that tiresome? Assuming English is their first language I don’t understand the struggle?

ConvallariaMuguet · 28/03/2025 06:02

I don’t see the problem with ‘it’, personally. I called my unborn daughters ‘it’.

I’ve noticed, cos I’m old, that only in the last twenty or so years have people started to be offended and say their precious baby can’t be an ‘it’.

Children are neutral in all Germanic languages, including Old English. Using ‘it’ is standard English and clearly not meant as any kind of judgment on the baby, or its mother. And has the benefit of clarity, being unequivocally singular.

diamondpony80 · 28/03/2025 06:02

I don't like the use of they/them but that's because after 40 years of using it as a plural, it just goes against what I "know" to be true. "They" to me will always suggest more than one person.

Apparently singular "they" dates back to at least the 1300s though when referring to a person of unknown or unspecified gender (according to my trusty knowledge source, ChatGPT), so who am I to argue if someone wants to use it? I just wouldn't myself and will probably still continue to roll my eyes at those who do!

MrsLJH · 28/03/2025 06:03

I can see it both ways.

As someone who used to work around second and third trimester obstetric scanning, I remember so many times using the word "they" in the singular context, only to see looks of panic from families and words along the lines of "oh my god it isn't twins is it?". These were families that had already had scans and knew number of babies in there but still the words automatically made them think of multiple.

As a result I very quickly moved to using the word baby instead (I personally felt uncomfortable saying it) or he/she if they told me.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 28/03/2025 06:03

MythicalCat · 28/03/2025 06:00

Well, it is different.

If you saw a cute baby and you didn’t know the sex, would you say, Look at that baby! It’s so cute!’ Or would you say ‘Look at that baby. They’re so cute! Look at their face!’

The second is unnatural and ‘it’ is perfectly normal here. Whereas you wouldn’t call your client Alex ‘it’! And ‘they’ in that context is correct as you say.

I would naturally say the second.

threenaancurrywhore · 28/03/2025 06:04

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 28/03/2025 05:45

Then please provide an example where it is used in literature/cinema/the stage, as a singular denominator rather than in relation to non-binary.
Prove your assertion

Is your google broken

TappyGilmore · 28/03/2025 06:04

YANBU at all. Probably it surprises people because it is more common than not these days to find out the gender. But if you are choosing not to, then they/them is appropriate and normal.

SpidersAreShitheads · 28/03/2025 06:05

I seem to recall we used fruit-based descriptors for my babies. We found a book that strangely described each developmental stage in terms of fruit size so we went with that 😂

My brother on the other hand referred to them (twins) as “the parasites”* throughout my pregnancy, so probably on balance they/them is fairly tame 😂🤷‍♀️

(*it was all very light-hearted - we have a weird sense of humour in my family!)

Travelodge · 28/03/2025 06:05

Yes, you’re being over-dramatic. You've found that using "they" is confusing people, whether or not you think it ought to, so if you don't like their confusion you’ll have to stop doing it, won’t you?

Why not "he or she" / "him or her" - two extra syllables isn’t really a hardship.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 28/03/2025 06:05

diamondpony80 · 28/03/2025 06:02

I don't like the use of they/them but that's because after 40 years of using it as a plural, it just goes against what I "know" to be true. "They" to me will always suggest more than one person.

Apparently singular "they" dates back to at least the 1300s though when referring to a person of unknown or unspecified gender (according to my trusty knowledge source, ChatGPT), so who am I to argue if someone wants to use it? I just wouldn't myself and will probably still continue to roll my eyes at those who do!

If you saw someone steal your car but didn’t see what they looked, like how would you describe them?

Hillsaremyhappyplace · 28/03/2025 06:07

World has gone nuts. It was they/them for me 20 years before all this gender crap started.” It “is weird I agree, sounds rude 😂

skipdiddyskip · 28/03/2025 06:08

I would say “he or she” and sis before we knew the sex of our current expectant baby.

If I heard you use it I think I would understand that you meant one child though.

threenaancurrywhore · 28/03/2025 06:08

Travelodge · 28/03/2025 06:05

Yes, you’re being over-dramatic. You've found that using "they" is confusing people, whether or not you think it ought to, so if you don't like their confusion you’ll have to stop doing it, won’t you?

Why not "he or she" / "him or her" - two extra syllables isn’t really a hardship.

“Oh, when they’re born I’m going to do XYZ” falls off the tongue much more naturally than “when he or she is born, I’m going to…” does. Why add a clumsy phrasing when the right word already exists? It’s only confusing to the stupid.

Travelodge · 28/03/2025 06:08

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 28/03/2025 06:01

How is that tiresome? Assuming English is their first language I don’t understand the struggle?

It’s tiresome because it is ambiguous and OP knows people are finding it confusing but just wants to blame them rather than simply saying "he or she" instead.

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