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Calling my unborn baby they/them

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Irish24 · 28/03/2025 03:19

I am keeping the gender a surprise and the amount of people that are confused when I refer to the baby as they/them’ is starting to aggravate me. I don’t like referring to them as ‘it’ or just ‘baby’. They/them is a word and has been going around for centuries. It also is a singular pronoun and does not always mean multiple. My friends say they can’t get their head around it. I don’t understand. I know they/them is a controversial topic these days and more people are perhaps finding out the gender. I still don’t find it confusing at all and it never even occurred to me that it would be. Anyone else experienced this or am I being over dramatic here? It’s just tiresome having to constantly explain to people, I don’t know the gender so that’s why I’m calling the baby ‘them/they’

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GlomOfNit · 28/03/2025 12:12

SnugMintFawn · 28/03/2025 12:07

You’re being ridiculous 😂

PLEASE tell me how you would say the following without using they and without saying “he or she” a million times…

“Shall we get this for the baby? He or she will look really cute in it, though I'm not sure what size to get for him or her, the last scan said he or she was heading for the 90th centile so I think he or she is going to be pretty big, shall I get him or her the newborn or the 0-3 months?”

(Sorry @AliasGrape I’m stealing your words, it was such a good example!)

Yeah, I'd probably drop in the odd 'they' if I were having a conversation where we had to keep on referring to the baby. But only in the context of also using 'he or she', or it, because I actually don't and didn't have any issues with saying 'it' about the baby I was carrying, before I found out he was a he. What I'm saying is that ONLY saying 'they or them' is a bit loopy.

Not trying to be hilarious, but I'm so glad I've lightened your day! Grin

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:13

MissDoubleU · 28/03/2025 12:10

Yes, a MNer has a pearl clutching aneurism for every perfectly reasonable and grammatically correct example of a singular use they pronoun.

“When a judge is appointed to the case they will decide the sentencing.”

”Did someone refill the printer? Because I think they used the wrong ink!”

”There is a neighbour down the street I haven’t met but their cat is very friendly.”

In those cases no-one knows the sex of the person they are referring to. If they knew the sex of the judge they would use ‘ she or he’ not they

BatsInSpring · 28/03/2025 12:14

As others have said, people will think you mean twins. I didn't know sex either time and think I just said 'baby'.
You do you though, there's nothing wrong with using those pronouns if you want to, but expect people to be confused re the twins thing.

MissDoubleU · 28/03/2025 12:14

Swiftie1878 · 28/03/2025 12:09

And yet this experience OP is having proves that’s not the case. People are confused by it.
If that doesn’t bother OP, then she should just crack on.

Edited

To be fair, most people are confused by how magnets work or what makes a plane stay up in the air. Most people should be open to being educated and being told they are, in fact, quite wrong and quite ignorant.

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:14

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:13

In those cases no-one knows the sex of the person they are referring to. If they knew the sex of the judge they would use ‘ she or he’ not they

Sorry the sex of the neighbour not ‘the judge’

MissDoubleU · 28/03/2025 12:16

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:13

In those cases no-one knows the sex of the person they are referring to. If they knew the sex of the judge they would use ‘ she or he’ not they

That’s hilarious exactly because the OP does not know the sex of her baby. So you have, in fact, agreed with me then. It is normal and appropriate for the OP to use they/them in discussion of her baby because she does not yet know their sex.

Cojones · 28/03/2025 12:18

If you don’t like using baby (I found it a bit twee), choose another word, Bump or It.

I used to refer to mine as Alien and Alien 2 (as they were both c-section babies I wasn’t too far off the mark).

PlasticPassion · 28/03/2025 12:18

I bet you are putting emphasis on the they because it’s such a big deal to you and that’s why people are reacting the way they do. Or you’re imagining it.

Gridhopper · 28/03/2025 12:19

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:13

In those cases no-one knows the sex of the person they are referring to. If they knew the sex of the judge they would use ‘ she or he’ not they

Exactly! So an unborn baby of as yet unknown sex can also be referred to as they

Megifer · 28/03/2025 12:19

BallerinaRadio · 28/03/2025 11:22

... I just don't even know how to respond to this. You've jumped from they're not having twins, to raising the baby as non binary.

Do you genuinely not realise how absolutely batshit crazy that sounds?

Do you genuinely never have conversations that develop, or hear other info from others relating to said conversations, therefore changing what you might think?

I think that's quite unusual tbh

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:19

OneWaryCat · 28/03/2025 11:57

Me at the bar: "I'd like a margarita please?'
Barman: And for your friend?
Me: 'Oh they will have one too'.

Did anyone just die?

You could equally say ‘she’ll have one ‘ or ‘ he will …’ because you know what sex they are. They in this instance is only used because you don’t want to disclose their sex or because they don’t accept their sex for what it actually is.

thepariscrimefiles · 28/03/2025 12:22

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:13

In those cases no-one knows the sex of the person they are referring to. If they knew the sex of the judge they would use ‘ she or he’ not they

But OP doesn't know the sex of her baby. So 'they' is perfectly fine for her to use as well.

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:22

Gridhopper · 28/03/2025 12:19

Exactly! So an unborn baby of as yet unknown sex can also be referred to as they

Well in the case of the judge or the neighbour or the person fixing the printer we know it’s one person singular. But if you use they in the context of a pregnancy, it has immediately and quite logically raised the possibility of more than one babby - which is what the OP is objecting to.

OP making a huge fuss about nothing.

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:23

thepariscrimefiles · 28/03/2025 12:22

But OP doesn't know the sex of her baby. So 'they' is perfectly fine for her to use as well.

See my answer below. Quite clearly it is causing confusion and OP isn’t happy about that . But it is what it is. Language is a funny fish

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:23

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:23

See my answer below. Quite clearly it is causing confusion and OP isn’t happy about that . But it is what it is. Language is a funny fish

Above not below.

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:26

MissDoubleU · 28/03/2025 12:16

That’s hilarious exactly because the OP does not know the sex of her baby. So you have, in fact, agreed with me then. It is normal and appropriate for the OP to use they/them in discussion of her baby because she does not yet know their sex.

Well she may think so but clearly it causes confusion because we know there is only one judge etc but there can be more than one babby.

Not the ‘Gotcha’ you were whooping about!

peachgreen · 28/03/2025 12:28

People who get het up about using "they" as a singular pronoun are either bigoted or thick. Or both.

SnugMintFawn · 28/03/2025 12:29

GlomOfNit · 28/03/2025 12:12

Yeah, I'd probably drop in the odd 'they' if I were having a conversation where we had to keep on referring to the baby. But only in the context of also using 'he or she', or it, because I actually don't and didn't have any issues with saying 'it' about the baby I was carrying, before I found out he was a he. What I'm saying is that ONLY saying 'they or them' is a bit loopy.

Not trying to be hilarious, but I'm so glad I've lightened your day! Grin

A fair response. You’re being a bit less ridiculous now 😂😉

Gridhopper · 28/03/2025 12:29

Phyllisve · 28/03/2025 12:22

Well in the case of the judge or the neighbour or the person fixing the printer we know it’s one person singular. But if you use they in the context of a pregnancy, it has immediately and quite logically raised the possibility of more than one babby - which is what the OP is objecting to.

OP making a huge fuss about nothing.

She’s not made a fuss about that has she? She just acknowledged in her first post that they/them could mean more than one baby but that it’s not weird/incorrect when there’s just one baby.

5128gap · 28/03/2025 12:31

RafaistheKingofClay · 28/03/2025 09:08

I always wonder this about the people that jump into a thread to correct gender to sex.

But are sex and gender not two different things now? Sex meaning whether you are female or male, and gender meaning...something else..?

Lavender14 · 28/03/2025 12:33

Youhaveyourhandsfull · 28/03/2025 03:54

You're the one being tiresome here. Fucking hell.
It's a baby. 'when the baby is born', 'when the baby is here'.
Hope that helps. If you use They it sounds like you're having twins, rather than being intentionally obtuse as you seem keen to be.

Some of these comments are bananas!

Op I didn't find out the gender of my baby either and I used a mix of baby or they/ them. Noone was confused. Everyone knew what I meant, no knickers or boxers were in a twist.

If anyone is being this irate about it, I'd say it's either because alternative gender pronouns have become a major point of conflict or because they're irritated you are keeping it a surprise.

I personally found overuse of baby multiple times in a sentence tiresome as its not how anyone normally speaks about other people in a sentence. Names are only usually stated once or twice in a sentence before we move to he/she otherwise it sounds overly repetitive/ robotic. In this instance they/ them is completely appropriate.

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 12:34

GlomOfNit · 28/03/2025 12:12

Yeah, I'd probably drop in the odd 'they' if I were having a conversation where we had to keep on referring to the baby. But only in the context of also using 'he or she', or it, because I actually don't and didn't have any issues with saying 'it' about the baby I was carrying, before I found out he was a he. What I'm saying is that ONLY saying 'they or them' is a bit loopy.

Not trying to be hilarious, but I'm so glad I've lightened your day! Grin

Wait - you'd use "they" for your baby? Clearly you support "gender woo woo".

Abbyant · 28/03/2025 12:39

Tbf everyone I know who didn’t know the gender yet or didn’t want to find out called the baby, either baby or bump. I’d probably ask if it was twins if someone said them.

AnotherForumUser · 28/03/2025 12:40

Pigsears · 28/03/2025 11:22

So you have found out the sex, have told people you know the sex, but don't want to let anyone else know so refer to the unborn child as 'they/them'.

Your choice. It of course can be grammatically correct- but I'm guessing that's not what is frustrating?

Maybe some people will be listening to pronouns even more carefully to see if you slip up and reveal your secret....

I didn't do this. We didn't find out until each child was born. I think I would have felt weird doing it the way above- particularly to people I know would be keen to know- be like 'i know a secret you dont- but I'm not telling. You can't know cause it's my secret'.

How many times does it have to be repeated! Both the OP and many other posters have said that the baby's sex is UNKNOWN. The OP does NOT know the sex of her baby. I don't know if this type of repeated bullshit is the standard level of comprehension these days or wilful and goady twatism.

Fargo79 · 28/03/2025 12:41

Haven't RTFT, just OP's posts.

I didn't like saying "the baby" all the time either. Dunno why. Felt a bit impersonal maybe? Anyway we just gave ours nicknames. First baby was "Pam", chosen by by my nephew. Second baby was "Bob", chosen by first baby.

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