Upset by way govmt is managing disability benefits change

[Rosie8880]

The narrative government is sharing about disability benefits changes is upsetting. They speak about the ballooning of claims & how this is unsustainable. Isn’t this connected to the collapse of NHS, waiting times and people awaiting for diagnosis, unable to get treatment. The most vulnerable people in society are being impacted and there are other ways to bring in income // reduce spending (Tax wealth, and by wealth mean multi millionaires/ rather than poorest in society). This is not the way. Like to hear about those that are impacted.

seems like other organisations assume the same - the burden to care for those who lose PIP and their carer (due to loss of carers allowance) will largey fall on already cast strapped councils and will cost a lot more than £81 per week. It's just absolutely bonkers.

www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/22/government-plans-to-cut-pip-benefits-could-pile-more-pressure-on-councils

You need help filling in the forms. If your child has severe difficulties and the mental age of a 5/6 year old there should be no issue getting PIP or anything else. My oldest is severely autistic but can do lots of things and is very good at maths and English, but he is definitely unable to take care of himself and is at a daycentre everyday. I am not worried about losing his PIP and I think there is a lot of alarmist stuff being posted that will really scare people who are unable to think a bit critically about what they read online.

Everyone knows that a sizeable chunk of people are milking the system. Theres nothing wrong with them. The government needs to cut benefits deep. Much much deeper than what they have said.

I am at a lost really about what happens to family like ours and it’s like when ever I see these threads it always turns in to nuero divergent and mental
health but what about the others.

my daughter is currently still a child but older end and it won’t be long before we know it when she is 16 and applying for pip but until 23 won’t be entitled to LWCA.

I don’t think she would even qualify for pip looking at the assessment.

she has complex health needs but we have really tried to not let it effect but ultimately she suffers daily and she wants a career she does but she won’t be employable for very long with the amount of time she will be off sick.

from the pip side of things I think she would score 2 on a few diff areas but even in eating and nutrition her biggest problem she would only score a 2 which is absolutely madness.

The Tory's wanted a voucher system.

The Tories made sure it was difficult or even impossible to access basic health care.

Quelle surprise that the nation is full of unhealthy people.

Yep, and still, on the millionth thread about this subject, not one single person can explain how they think this will be better. How they think they are going to benefit.

I thought they said under 22 in the context of those who are currently claiming PIP and UC.

I didn't think DLA was even mentioned other than the age is going up from 16 to 18 when you switch to PIP if needed.

I don’t believe everyone knows a sizeable chunk of people milking the system. I honestly don’t think you can

Ignorant comment with a sweeping statement and no sources to back it up.

What is this ‘sizeable chunk’, how are you qualified to determine whether there is ‘nothing wrong with them’?

Why do you think that disabled people are acceptable collateral in tackling benefit fraud?

Whilst this is the ‘ideal’ it ends up being completely unworkable in practice.

This was supposed to be the intention when PIP replaced DLA in the first place. The ‘holistic’ assessment was supposed to not just assess functional disability but also the way it affected a person at a given time.

I’ll give an example of the way the original consultation for PIP was supposed to assess my disability - visual impairment.

The example gave two scenarios in the consultation. One was a woman blind from birth withe diabetes. She was assessed as needing help with taking medication and mobility but no other care needs as she had adjusted to her disability. She would have been awarded no care component but enhanced mobility. The second was a man who had suddenly lost all eyesight. He was considered to need substantial care until he ‘got used’ to his condition and so would be awarded enhanced care and mobility for a limited time.

This was in the actual consultation document and yet we can all see how utterly unworkable this would have been as an assessment.

PIP was a bad replacement for DLA which was suffering exactly the same upwards creep in award rates. Likewise, ESA was a bad replacement for Incapacity Benefit which GPs didn’t want to be responsible for turning people down for.

Access to Work is a joke. It made life way harder than it needed to be for me. Jobcentre+ made me feel awful about the support I needed to carry on with my job. Every year it was a battle trying to get my support package renewed. I had far less difficulty getting approved for ill health retirement (in a scheme where it is often said that if you have a pulse you are deemed fit to work) than I did annually getting my support worker approved.

It’s all a mess.

A PP said something along the lines of everyone having to make sacrifices to ‘get the country back on its feet’. I wonder if much higher council tax will be an acceptable sacrifice that they’re willing to make.

yes, 'everyone' as long as it doesn't affect them because they don't have a disability/long term health condition. I bet they would like to do their bit if it comes to higher taxation in any shape or form. Just 'everyone with a disability'. They tend to forget to mention that little detail when they talk about everyone.

Of course not.

Whilst ‘everyone’ accepts that taxes need to rise, they tend to think someone else should be the one to pay it.

Whilst ‘everyone’ thinks that more disabled people need to return to work, they are less willing to accept that they might have to pick up the slack if one of their colleagues is not quite as productive as they are.

I’ve heard it all a million times.

I presume since they're happy for disabled people to go cold and hungry, they themselves are also prepared to do the same.

Go hungry for your country!

Sorry to upset your sensibilities let’s talk about it in the way that you think is best shall we? What makes you the arbiter of how people should feel about this? You’re not the only “vulnerable person” here you know. This is a forum for people to express their opinions - stop policing & patronising them.

But she didn't mean 'everyone' she meant disabled people unable to work need to make the sacrifices.

Exactly.

Apparently, disabled people just don't want to

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It isn’t really about tackling fraud. You’re missing the point and purpose of the changes. It’s about not subsiding the lives of people with low level health restrictions who are capable of work

It’s because it’s not really about saving money.

I haven’t missed any point. I was responding to a specific post that lazily suggested large scale PIP fraud.

Do you really think that ‘low level health restrictions’ are awarded PIP? Personal Independence Payments are for exactly that - to enable people to have a greater degree of independence than they would otherwise be able to due to their disability or serious, chronic health conditions.

Yes I do. As do the government

No of course I don’t! I object to the rhetoric overstating how much benefit fraud the DWP actually report & it being used to imply anyone who is disabled & in need of welfare support is a scrounging, lying cheat committing benefit fraud. But it’s not everyone it’s 0.2%. This narrative is incredibly damaging & discriminatory to disabled people. Obviously.

How horribly smug and ignorant you are. Please do more research, that’s not actually what the government think at all.

I'll ask again. Ninety millionth time.

How do you "taxpayers" (that are online every day) think you will benefit from these changes?