Upset by way govmt is managing disability benefits change

[Rosie8880]

The narrative government is sharing about disability benefits changes is upsetting. They speak about the ballooning of claims & how this is unsustainable. Isn’t this connected to the collapse of NHS, waiting times and people awaiting for diagnosis, unable to get treatment. The most vulnerable people in society are being impacted and there are other ways to bring in income // reduce spending (Tax wealth, and by wealth mean multi millionaires/ rather than poorest in society). This is not the way. Like to hear about those that are impacted.

ok, so I appeal next time. the tribunal waiting lists are about a year. What happens in this 12 months when we cannot access PIP and by extension no carers allowance and UC support? How are people like us supposed to survive? We can't be the only ones. Someone must have thought about it.

This! I keep making this point and none of the "about time this happened" posters can respond. If carers are to be put in the position of being forced to find employment, then the burden of care for their family members will fall to the local authorities and will cost thousands and thousands of pounds, far more than the paltry £81.90 per week which carers are paid for their labour. So exactly how will these changes benefit all these disgruntled hardworking taxpayers?

The charities are already helping people with these questions so give your most appropriate charity a call if you can (charities shouldn’t have to fill these gaps but here we are). CAB will also support the PIP claim to make sure the points given are more appropriate, and be prepared to appeal. Also, as terrifying and demoralising as this time is for disabled people and anyone caring for disabled people, these proposals must go through parliament and will be scrutinised according to the Equality Act. They will have to be watered down before becoming reality.

We’ll all stick together and make our voices heard to protect and take care of our wonderful disabled people - try not to panic right now.

I am a high earner and pay 50% income tax. On unearned wealth I pay less than 10%. This is not fair. The very wealthiest can afford to pay more, we need to tax wealth not neccassirily wages more. I’m not suggesting we tax more on wages ( incl those 150k + p.a at this point.) I disagree with you on other points too, but it’s okay to disagree.

You and your daughter would still get basic UC standard elements and help with rent if you have rent to pay. The standard UC element is also going to be rising. Obviously wouldn't be a lot to live off compared with what you will be claiming between you now. I can see the demand for foodbanks soaring whilst people wait for appeals.

Same here also receive pip. One of the 20%. Unearned wealth is usually your grandparents house so that's a very wide net your suggesting that doesn't take into account circumstance. You cannot keep increasing taxes to pay for a growing benefit system. That's a logical fallacy whether now or in 10 years this was going to happen.

The problem is how quickly the benefit system is growing. So on one hand you've got less tax payers and on the other more benefit claims, that is the bottom line. I also disagree with all of your points but have a massive crush on Finland and love your threads so we are good :)

Finnish men are so hot but they seem so shy I don't get it. I'm not even straight but boy I see the appeal big on tech the Finns.

Wealth @ a much higher level as a start. Multi millions / billlions. Suggesting a focus on that target social group which will be also a smaller cohort, albeit with more means to resist. However studies show even if 10% of the total number of this group pay more - that closes out the sum current proposals are seeking to source vis welfare cuts. Less harm to society, more money in via smaller number of sources - potentially less strain on govt resources.

By the time these changes/ reforms even come in and start to make savings ( if they even do? ), there will already be another million claiming PIP if the current forcasts are correct. And this is just working age disability benefits, you also have massive increased in children's DLA claims and massive numbers of pensioners claiming AA for years on end and all the extra pension credit etc that comes with that for some. I work in benefits see f the amounts that people are claiming. . A very frequent scenario I see is someone just turned pension age getting their state pension £222 a week, then often high rates of PIP both components £175 a week, pension credit with severe disability premium £82 a week, all rent and council tax covered in full because they claim pension credit, and even for the ones owning their own homes some are getting almost £500 a week in benefits . I understand of course that not everyone going into retirement will be on highest rates of PIP so will be less for some How are these amounts sustainable? I am mid fifties and one thing I can guarantee is that by the time I'm a pensioner there will certainly be nothing left in the pot for my generation !

We will all have to make sacrifices to get our country back in its feet. Oh I forgot! Some people don’t want to.

It would not be enough to live off. That could potentially leave them with only a couple of hundred pounds a month after they've paid to top up their rent (because you only get market rate) for food, gas, electric, water, some council tax, internet, and every other possible bill and expense.

If I was healthy, lost my job and couldn't find another, it would be in my interests to persuade people I was unwell with something, just so I could actually survive. I'm not saying that people are doing that, but it makes logical sense and I would find it hard to blame someone for doing that, given the pittance job seekers are expected to live on.

The only good thing Labour has proposed with all this is raising the basic rate slightly so people can survive a period of joblessness.

This is funny! Finn’s are generally shy/ reserved. Until they drink…..!!!

How does transferring the cost from carers to local authorities help "get our country back in its feet"?

Sorry I should point out that many won't see state pension as a benefit, I was just trying to point out that the amounts that are being paid out to a lot of individuals.

Both city and county councils in my area are almost bankrupt already without this happening ! We will just see even more massive Council tax hikes !

Not my fault if you can't follow a conversation.

You have completely misread my post, maybe take a deep breath and try again.

I was supporting you saying that the comments other posters are making about making yourself more employable by your next review were utterly ridiculous in many cases.

And I wished you all the best going forward for you and the girls

Yes those terrible disabled people who need people to help them even get out of bed in the morning let alone get washed and dressed they should all be ashamed of not doing a 70 hour week. Shame on them..

These changes rely on employers taking on people who may need remote working, flexible hours, recognition of increased time off - if this doesn't happen, how will they be employed?

My role is going well at work and I'm getting an apprentice this year. I could take an apprentice with additional support needs as elements of the role can be done over a longer time period and remotely. But I also have experience in this area and work somewhere with the mentality to try and make these kinds of things work. That is really not the case everywhere. Loads of employers don't even want to have to bother taking on young people and training them so how open minded will they be for higher needs?

People make assumptions about deaf people, blind people, wheelchair users etc and the vast majority of these people can work full time with reasonable adjustments or equipment.

Don’t be ridiculous! Who has said we have to work 70 hour weeks?

Couldn’t agree more. Went to the dentist recently about getting a retainer for bruxism. He asked if I was anxious and had I considered antidepressants! I’m sure he wouldn’t have said that to a man.

why do you think they àre pushing assisted dying so hard at the moment.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think the rules will v quickly be relaxed to cover those who don't have any quality of life left etc
Just think.of all the money they could potentially save!
It is chilling imo.

Ok, you’re a conspiracy theorist

I think this is a conspiracy level take (about relaxing the rules deliberately in response to these cuts), but I do also agree with you that assisted dying has scary potential for slippery slope issues. Look at MAID in Canada and how that has been abused. I’m not 100% against assisted dying but it needs to be restricted to only definitively terminal conditions.