Upset by way govmt is managing disability benefits change

[Rosie8880]

The narrative government is sharing about disability benefits changes is upsetting. They speak about the ballooning of claims & how this is unsustainable. Isn’t this connected to the collapse of NHS, waiting times and people awaiting for diagnosis, unable to get treatment. The most vulnerable people in society are being impacted and there are other ways to bring in income // reduce spending (Tax wealth, and by wealth mean multi millionaires/ rather than poorest in society). This is not the way. Like to hear about those that are impacted.

What’s important is not extrapolate assumed views into actual situation. You may see people who you assume are “milking system” / they may firstly have other needs. But, if they aren’t - just because you see this (and maybe others you know see this) does not equate to this being the majority of cases. This is also called conscious bias.

Ok, so PIP payment's amount to £34 billion per year. 0.2% of that is £68 million.
So pip fraud costs tax payers £68m and you think that's OK?

This is just a silly take on the realities of life both in the UK and the USA. While both societies have many, many problems and flaws, neither is “fascist”, and it’s hard to take an opinion seriously when you’re that hyperbolic. Both have welfare systems and support huge numbers of vulnerable people. I know, being one of them! It should be possible to have a serious discussion about the unethical nature of some aspects of the Green Paper (and there are also a few good parts, like the suggested plan to end reassessments for the most seriously disabled with incurable conditions) without being so alarmist.

Oh, that's okay then.

I'm sure all of the disabilities will just vanish by the next review and they'll suddenly have the ability to go out to work and not be disabled.

You should really do a public announcement, so people are less worried

You really have no clue.

Yes, outrageous of her to correct a factually wrong assumption about how this will be administered. /s

Simply because it's far easier to take money from the vulnerable than any other sector

Interesting that you chose to ignore all my other points and focus on my perhaps incorrectly using the word ‘most’ in this context.

Okay, then that 20% will likely no longer be able to work. Less money in their pocket means less money in the economy. A country does not run like a household budget.

You suspect? Horrible language to use. Treating disabled people with suspicion and mistrust is exactly what these proposals are perpetuating.

Do you understand there are other ways of contributing to society and to the economy? And that a person receiving PIP who doesn’t work (at a job in this case, everyone works in some form even if it is simply to stay alive for another day - being disabled is exhausting) is of no less value than one who does?

See two examples in USA. 1) Elon Musk’s closeness to Trump. Musk used not once but twice a hand signal that is a sieg hail. 2) Somehow Andrew Tate a convicted sex trafficker, criminal, rapist has been permitted after denied access back to USA now Trump is in. America is enabling fascism and misogyny as acceptable.

Social security(Benefits) free at the point of use (NHS/Roads) is running out of steam. It wasn't designed to support people from cradle to grave...
The UK had an ideal back in the 40s it's dying a slow death under the weight of expectation.

Oh well, just throw the most vulnerable in society under under the bus then,

Jesus wept some people

No the people who receive benefits and do not work do not generate money. The money they have from benefits is paid by people working. So people are saying why should they have to pay for someone to not work if they have the same disability. I'm hoping these changes make the process easier and we get a clear idea of what is actually going on. I think the most eye opening thing for me is how diffrent across the UK support services are I wonder if they can reform them.

Sorry, but using these as examples of fascism “going on” in the USA is just ludicrous.

Whilst people contribute in diffrent ways the problem is who supports this why and how? People in this country on benefits have some of the highest living standards in the world. We can't compare ourselves to countries much smaller then us. If for example these changes aren't made and the benefit bill continues to rise with less people working how would the benefit system remain in place?

It’s okay - we can disagree.

Yep, people that require carers to get themselves washed and dressed are exactly the sort of people that the NHS and other agencies want to employ as carers and healthcare assistants

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Yes, but they don't notice it in the way you do if you're poor and could lose the roof over their head. It's just numbers.

It's bloody scary. My eldest has severe learning difficulties and only scored 2s but across the board and in the end, with many points. They awarded 2 points for budgeting even though she can make calculations up to 10 by using both hands. She wouldn't be able to add up 10p and 5p and calculate change if she buys something for 80p and hands over a pound. She is chatty (but with the understanding of 5/6 year old of the world but because she talks, she only got 2 points. She can read simple words but nothing else. Again, this got us only 2 points. She will lose her pip when she is reassessed even though ahe needs 24/7 care. I will lose carers too. I have no idea what people think will become of us. My other child is currently inpatient and waiting for a bed on a psychiatric ward. Suicide attempts, hearing voices, almost daily self harm. This is exactly the group that is being targeted by the government. No everybody is just a bit sad. How are families like ours supposed to survive? esp if I cannot work due to 24/7 caring but losing all benefits. How is going to look after them if I am forced to work? I really wonder what people will think?

I suspect the economic migrants that come here for work do not require inpatient psychiatric treatment or so not have severe learning difficulties or are wheelchair bound? How would you be able to apply for jobs and hold one down if you have the cognitive abilities if a young child? That's our situation. Really open to suggestions?

You are so right about furlough.

People suddenly find they are in a situation where they can't do their job anymore? - claim UC if entitled to it, like the rest of us have to. Like someone who becomes ill or disabled, who is now being told no enchanced benefits, just basic UC.

If anyone thinks this is heartless about furlough, about the devastation to individuals if it hadn't been paid - well look at the proposed benefit changes. Doesn't make sense to be compassionate to one group (the ones without health issues who were in a better position!) but not another. If the country can't afford it, that's that. We couldn't afford furlough.

I am really sorry that you and your girls are in this position.

if only the people who are saying 'so it's not happening overnight? What can you do to make yourself more employable before your next review?' Had to live a day in your shoes.

All my thoughts are with you xx

People on this country on benefits compared to 2nd and 3rd world countries do have support. Compared to other western nations with comparable GDP, no, they are not better off. A recent study provided evidence that the poorest in UK have worse living conditions that poorest in Europe - the poorest in Europe being in post communist Romania. What we have is a situation where the health of millions is declining, due in part to inability of health and social care system to address and be able to support those in need. People with minor to major issues are languishing awaiting surgery, healthcare, amplifying and worsening pre existing issues. Add to the mix cost of living crisis, housing emergency, post COVID hangover. The delays and lack / reductions in health care are increasing the amount of people who are not able to work. If this was a graph, the line would be going upwards, quickly. More and more claims need to be made to compensate for more people / their issues may get worse due to delays too. We have a choice here. Do we as a society decide that people, who thru no fault of their own are unable to work, and do not have financial safety net, are not supported by society vis welfare. That society can not afford them. Or, do we find other ways to seek income to cover these bills. That other way could be thru going to the top of the economy - to tax wealth - not those earning 100-200k etc who pay 50%, but those with multi milllions and billions - incl. corporations. We have a choice here.

@cheesestringss

Did your DD get PIP the first time, or on appeal?
I'm asking because the assessments are not fit for purpose and assessors play down, ignore things, and even lie. They often don't even look at medical evidence until reconsideration/appeal!
So I'm thinking your DD would have scored higher if an appeal had been made. I appreciate people wouldn't go through the hassle of this if they have managed to qualify enough, but now these people like yourself will have to appeal to get the correct points to qualify.

What could I possible do to help my employability when I care around the clock? Maybe dump DC at the social services office and hand over all responsibility to them? My issue is not my lack of employability in terms of skills. It's the fact that someone needs looking after around the clock and apart from me, nobody is providing this.

In those other countries they pay into the benefit system or directly. I can confidently assert being poor in Romania is nothing like being poor in the UK. The country is loosing to much money and is less productive then I think all other western countries. There are less then 100 billionaires in England France Germany ect. Higher tax would fall directly to people earning over 50k and pensioners whose only asset is a big expensive house that is just about running but won't cover their care cost. It really is going to have to be getting more people into work. Focusing on the young who could with help work.

Just to underscore the point one of largestest groups leaving the UK due to tax are medical professionals. If you have a medical qualification on top of lower pay then most other western countries you pay higher tax and get bad services. Unfortunately we cannot afford to loose those people.