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BE - dog and newborn guilt

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Cat921 · 18/03/2025 19:29

Three weeks ago we had our reactive 14 year old Jack Russell put to sleep because of his strange behaviour around our newborn baby and I feel so guilty.

Our dog was our whole life. We loved him dearly! My husband had him before we met since he was a puppy so for 14 years and I had him for 9 years. He was very reactive and we changed our whole life since I have known my husband for him. He was very territorial of the home and we couldn’t invite people over so we would have to put him upstairs away from visitors. He had previously bitten two people who entered the house quite a few years previously.
He accepted my mum eventually after she give him treats but had to be introduced with a muzzle. On walks we kept him close to use as he did not like other dogs or people and we were unsure if he would bite out of anxiety. He was an anxious dog who hated baths, blowing out candles, and sneezes. He would need to be on a lead in the garden as he hated the dog next door and would bark at him incessantly through the fence and we also were worried about him getting out and potentially biting someone out of fear. He hated when parcels would be dropped off and we would have to fight to get to the door. He had three people in his life he was fine with and who he loved. He hated the car and we could not take him anywhere or to public places as he would get so anxious.

When we first returned home, for the first three days we were surprised as our dog was fine with our newborn and we introduced them from a distance and let him smell her blanket and baby grow. I bought extra treats and toys for him. I naively thought he would be fine but my husband had had prior reservations before we brought her home. We were hoping he would sense my pregnancy as he would always sit on my knee for cuddles. After a few days, he barked at my baby in her Moses basket and my husband grew unsure of his intentions. He started becoming stressed when she cried as if he realised that she was suddenly here and would hide under the table and started weeing in the house. We never sanctioned him for this. He then started taking an interest in the Moses basket in the living room and was obsessed with jumping up at it even when she wasn’t crying. He wasn’t necessarily bothered about her when I was holding her on the sofa. We contacted a dogs trust behaviourist for advice. We couldn’t have a behaviourist come to the house as he does not accept visitors. He then continued to bark when she cried and we recorded my babies cried and used a doll (suggested by dogs trust) to positively reinforce him leaving it alone with treats but this did not work. He then started jumping up at me on the sofa when holding my baby with his tail down and we recorded this and sent to dogs trust who said it was potentially concerning behaviour. Our dog slept in our bed with us his whole life and our baby had her next to me crib in there and I felt uneasy about him accessing it if I was asleep at night as it was on his level. He never bothered it the previous nights but I ended up sleeping downstairs with her the few nights after that which was hard with a newborn. We had to put his muzzle on to calm him in the house as he would not leave the Moses basket alone.

We were able to manage all of this behaviour previous to my daughter being born as he was the most loving dog with us and never bit us or showed any aggression to me and my husband. We loved him so much but this was hard to manage with a newborn. I think I know ultimately it was the right decision but feel bad as he looked to me to protect him and would always come to me when scared! The guilt is awful! It was such a stressful situation and hormones were everywhere and feel we should have gave him longer than a week to adjust but me and my partner just were unsure of his behaviour and couldn’t read him and weren’t sure if we could take that chance with our newborn. We were worried this anxiety would manifest itself into aggression. We could not rehome him as he would not do well in that situation and could be a potential risk to strangers. We also read that dogs don’t see babies as human and as potentially an animal and prey which scared us. We are heartbroken that we had to make this decision. Anyone had a similar situation and how do I deal with this guilt?

OP posts:
whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:15

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:12

I don't agree with you about anything.

I don't understand your point about her still having fertility problems later. That's an argument for not waiting.

And yes, I think her child's right to exist and her chance to be a mother are more important than what sounds like a very distressed dog living for another three years.

You do not have to agree with me. I am happy with that. I understand people have opinions and do not imply things about those who do not agree with me.

That is ok that you do not understand. Yes her child has a right to exist. So does the dog.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:16

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:15

You do not have to agree with me. I am happy with that. I understand people have opinions and do not imply things about those who do not agree with me.

That is ok that you do not understand. Yes her child has a right to exist. So does the dog.

Well what a shame she didn't post before she had the dog PTS.

You could have taken it in yourself.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:13

You don't sound OK.

Using that tactic because someone disagrees with you is rather immoral and it also highlights you as a person.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:16

Well what a shame she didn't post before she had the dog PTS.

You could have taken it in yourself.

I don't take kids in off random strangers.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:19

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:17

I don't take kids in off random strangers.

So the dog has a right to exist, as long as it exists in someone else's house then?

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:19

So the dog has a right to exist, as long as it exists in someone else's house then?

It had a house.

FeliciteFaff · 20/03/2025 23:23

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

This poster is talking nonsense. It's an animal. They expected the dog to accept the new baby as part of the family. They couldn't have known the dog was going to act this way. They did everything right. Posters like this are just there to start and fan flames. Calm down.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:24

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:20

It had a house.

The dog couldn't live in the same house as the newborn.

So the only options were 1) PTS or 2) have a kind soul like you take on the responsibility.

What a shame you found out about this too late to help and have to content yourself with berating a traumatised new mum on the internet for choosing to have a baby when she already had a dog.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:24

The dog couldn't live in the same house as the newborn.

So the only options were 1) PTS or 2) have a kind soul like you take on the responsibility.

What a shame you found out about this too late to help and have to content yourself with berating a traumatised new mum on the internet for choosing to have a baby when she already had a dog.

So move the newborn out or do not have one in the first place or kill the dog. She decided the latter.

I know I could've taken in the newborn until the dog died.

She asked a question. I am not berating her I am answering her question. I very clearly said she had a choice and had every right to make that choice but that I do not agree with her. When someone asks a question then some will agree and some will disagree. Both are ok responses. It is ok to agree and it is ok to disagree. That is the nature of the world. Both are acceptable responses to a question.

It isn't about choosing to have a baby when she had a dog. It is about choosing to have a baby when she had an aggressive dog knowing it would have to die as a result.

Why do you think everyone should think the same way?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:35

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:29

So move the newborn out or do not have one in the first place or kill the dog. She decided the latter.

I know I could've taken in the newborn until the dog died.

She asked a question. I am not berating her I am answering her question. I very clearly said she had a choice and had every right to make that choice but that I do not agree with her. When someone asks a question then some will agree and some will disagree. Both are ok responses. It is ok to agree and it is ok to disagree. That is the nature of the world. Both are acceptable responses to a question.

It isn't about choosing to have a baby when she had a dog. It is about choosing to have a baby when she had an aggressive dog knowing it would have to die as a result.

Why do you think everyone should think the same way?

Edited

"move the newborn out"

You've jumped the shark now.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:36

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:35

"move the newborn out"

You've jumped the shark now.

You did suggest taking on that responsibility had I known.

Avatartar · 20/03/2025 23:37

You have to view his 14 years as including a few bonus years, as had the people he bit complained, he may have been facing euthanasia earlier. You did what you could. For a second imagine the immediate aftermath and last hours of the dog’s life if it had attacked baby (screaming,anger, wrath, possible hitting it to get it off baby), never mind the injuries to your child. It would have been frenzied/terrified.
It’s very sad, but I’m sure his last moments were calm and loving and that he felt safe. Be comforted by that

edit 14 not 154 years!

LSTMS30555 · 20/03/2025 23:47

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

100% agree and obviously the poor dog had never been socialised 😞

Ruffpuff · 20/03/2025 23:56

I think you did all you could given the situation. The dog had a good life and at 14 he probably died more peacefully than he would have from the health complications of old age.

You would regret it far more had you left it and the dog mauled the baby to death.

LittleCharlotte · 21/03/2025 00:17

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:29

So move the newborn out or do not have one in the first place or kill the dog. She decided the latter.

I know I could've taken in the newborn until the dog died.

She asked a question. I am not berating her I am answering her question. I very clearly said she had a choice and had every right to make that choice but that I do not agree with her. When someone asks a question then some will agree and some will disagree. Both are ok responses. It is ok to agree and it is ok to disagree. That is the nature of the world. Both are acceptable responses to a question.

It isn't about choosing to have a baby when she had a dog. It is about choosing to have a baby when she had an aggressive dog knowing it would have to die as a result.

Why do you think everyone should think the same way?

Edited

You'd have taken in her baby?

There are some very, very odd posts on this thread. Really odd.

whippy1981 · 21/03/2025 00:21

LittleCharlotte · 21/03/2025 00:17

You'd have taken in her baby?

There are some very, very odd posts on this thread. Really odd.

Nope I said right from the beginning when that poster first suggested it that I wouldn't. They then said it again.

My response this time was I could've done but again that is a modal verb 'could' not that I was willing to or wanted to only that I could have had I wanted to. But no I wouldn't want a baby in my house.

So no that doesn't say I would take in her baby. I agree it was an odd request for me to do that. I do not agree with babies going to live with strangers which is why I said no when it was first suggested.

alexdgr8 · 21/03/2025 01:10

Are you trying to be provocative ??
The previous poster suggested that you could have taken in the dog to solve the situation to your liking.
It was hypothetical of course.
But only a very strange person could twist that around to being a suggestion to take in the baby.
Maybe you think you are being clever or funny.
But it doesn't land like that.

whippy1981 · 21/03/2025 04:22

alexdgr8 · 21/03/2025 01:10

Are you trying to be provocative ??
The previous poster suggested that you could have taken in the dog to solve the situation to your liking.
It was hypothetical of course.
But only a very strange person could twist that around to being a suggestion to take in the baby.
Maybe you think you are being clever or funny.
But it doesn't land like that.

They said I could take the responsibility off them. That could be either the dog or the baby and since I cannot take a dog without killing my own dogs (which maybe that poster wanted as they think putting dogs down is acceptable) then it had to be the baby. It was hypothetical so it could be either. Dogs were not specified, were they?

Many people have others bring up their children for a whole host of reasons. It isn't strange to know that fostering, private fostering, adoption and surrogacy happen. It is common so not strange at all.

Nope not trying to be clever or funny. Not sure what you mean by doesn't land like that.

Justanothermum9421 · 21/03/2025 04:33

Oh, OP.

It's clear you loves your dog a lot, and it's clear you love your baby a lot.

I am 8 weeks postpartum and cannot imagine what fresh hell you went through dealing with this with the PP hormones raging on top of normal emotions. I really feel for you.

You did the right thing, ignore those trying to bait you. Sending all the best wishes ❤️

whippy1981 · 21/03/2025 04:40

Justanothermum9421 · 21/03/2025 04:33

Oh, OP.

It's clear you loves your dog a lot, and it's clear you love your baby a lot.

I am 8 weeks postpartum and cannot imagine what fresh hell you went through dealing with this with the PP hormones raging on top of normal emotions. I really feel for you.

You did the right thing, ignore those trying to bait you. Sending all the best wishes ❤️

Edited

By baiting do you mean those who are answering different to you and disagreeing with her choice?

mrg123 · 21/03/2025 04:44

You gave your dog so much more than most people would. I don't think you should feel guilty at all, you sho. uld feel proud of how much you and your husband gave your dog. Imagine the guilt you'd feel if something awful had happened, for your dog as well as your daughter.

Justanothermum9421 · 21/03/2025 04:47

whippy1981 · 21/03/2025 04:40

By baiting do you mean those who are answering different to you and disagreeing with her choice?

Not disagreeing, no. It's perfectly fine for people to have their own opinions and of course people will not all agree on a topic as emotive as this!

I mean people trying to make OP feel guilty for what's already happened - nothing good will come from that. There is a difference between stating an opinion, and being unkind.

LeopardPants · 21/03/2025 04:51

Heyhowhatsup · 19/03/2025 06:37

I will be honest and say I found your post extremely upsetting to read and whilst it’s done now, I feel you should feel guilty and I do hope you don’t own another dog again.

You just thought the dog would adapt to having the baby?? You had nine months and you made no plan to get him used to sleeping outside or to thinking of what happens if he doesn’t get used to it? Your husband had reservations but still neither of you proactively did anything? You say he finally became used to your mother - was she unable to take him in or at the very least to have him for a week when you came back and you were feeling this way?

you put him to sleep after just a week of bringing your baby home? Of course, you should consider your baby’s safety but you did this in such a hugely irresponsible way and prematurely ended the life of a dog that considered itself also part of your family.

I agree with the poster - I know she is being flamed here - who said you shouldn’t have had the baby. I have a reactive dog. He in particular does not like children. I’m 38 and I have made the decision not to have children if I can’t accommodate him and find him somewhere where he loves as much.

I think your excuses sound really lazy. There are dog shelters - good independent ones - that deal with reactive dogs with a history of biting who will
come and give advice.

I think it’s a real shame. When you take on a dog it should be for life come what may and you should be aware you may through no fault get a reactive dog and if you aren’t prepared to do cope with that then you shouldn’t get one. I think it is odd to have been trying for a baby and to have done very little to have prepared for what might happen if he wasn’t able to get used to it.

This is mental. If you’re choosing your dog over potentially having a baby then you can’t want a baby that much! And at 38 you don’t have too much time to change your mind. It sounds like they did a lot to facilitate this dog’s life and the baby 100% takes priority.

SquashedSquid · 21/03/2025 04:52

Justanothermum9421 · 21/03/2025 04:33

Oh, OP.

It's clear you loves your dog a lot, and it's clear you love your baby a lot.

I am 8 weeks postpartum and cannot imagine what fresh hell you went through dealing with this with the PP hormones raging on top of normal emotions. I really feel for you.

You did the right thing, ignore those trying to bait you. Sending all the best wishes ❤️

Edited

No one who loves their dog would murder it because something better came along.

whippy1981 · 21/03/2025 04:55

Justanothermum9421 · 21/03/2025 04:47

Not disagreeing, no. It's perfectly fine for people to have their own opinions and of course people will not all agree on a topic as emotive as this!

I mean people trying to make OP feel guilty for what's already happened - nothing good will come from that. There is a difference between stating an opinion, and being unkind.

I have seen many who agree who are unkind so yes that is not ok to bait those who disagree with name calling.

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