So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

The thing with something like Pip is that you can work full time and claim it as well as it is to pay for your treatment/meds or what ever you need to help with your disability rather than a payment for not going to work

I think people don’t understand that part

Someone without a disability earning £2000 per month is able to use their £2000 per month salary to do what ever they like where as someone with a disability doing the same job and on the same salary has to set aside eg £200 per month to pay for things that make working possible. Not just stuff on prescriptions but counselling or coaching and equipment as well as other vitamins and minerals etc
Pip was supposed to level the playing field

So what will happen regards those with complex needs? Surely they won’t be forced into any old job. Who is going to have the expertise to communicate with them and decide what they can/can’t do and which jobs they can/ should apply for? Who will be taking responsibility if it harms progress or causes crisis?Say they don’t get anything what happens then?

sorry, I have no idea who you are referring to or what they said but nothing justifies such a despicable post.
You should be ashamed of yourself wishing physical/ mental disability on somebody.

At my local Aldi there is a lady on checkout with spinabifida. She never gets put on to the shop floor because of her disability. On Aldi products they have scan codes on 4 sides of a product so no need to lift them around.

I can’t work , I worked at age 20-21 and suffered severe burnout and haven’t recovered plus some other conditions. I’m just glad my DH earns over the AET so I’m not ever hassled to work

Well clearly the correct thing to do here would be for the surgeon or pilot to find another job. If they can't continue doing what they've trained to do due to insomnia that would surely be the best thing to do? The answer here would not be to start claiming benefits. Also, getting up early, going to work and some light exercise (evening walking) really helps with a good night's sleep. We know that exercise is better for treating depression than medication.

I thought disabilities were protected by law under the Equality Act. Is that no longer correct?

I'm not leaving myself in a worse position though. I actually see light at the end of the tunnel and for once it's not the bleeding train :-)

And you can be happy that I'm no longer claiming benefits :-) oooh just think it will free up a council house too, neighbours suck but beggars can't be choosers right lol

What do you mean you haven’t recovered? What’s missing that you need in order to recover?

I do actually have a clue. (We'll leave it there )

The research is available to view. The demographic for CFS/ME/fibromyalgia is a middle aged woman without further education that has concomitant depression or other mental health difficulties.

That doesn't mean ALL people will be the same, but there most certainly is a link in who these diagnoses affect.

I do not for one second think these people are fabricating their symptoms. i believe depression better explains them. Some people do not want a mental health diagnosis, so drs saddle them with a physical one because it's validating. You're then leaving depression untreated.

These conditions are easy to abuse (the same way 'back pain' was. Doesn't mean I don't believe people who have spinal stenosis does it ? It just means what it says on the tin - the conditions are 'good choices ' for those who are trying to abuse the system, because they're not provable diagnostically. That's a fact.

I'm sorry that's offensive to you. But sometimes other people's opinions are offensive to us. That's life unfortunately

Of course not. You can’t force employers to take someone on

If that happened now you’d probably get the same people saying it wasn’t fair he was getting free electricity and they as taxpayers had to pay for theirs !

Who will ensure my dd gets the reasonable adjustments she is entitled to?

I do think this is one of the biggest challenges that will be faced, I’m hoping that of the money to be saved from making cuts some of it could go towards education for employers or even financially supporting employers to employ some of these people who will have their benefits stopped.

The reality is that businesses need reliable & consistent staff in order to run smoothly, they need to know that you’re going to turn up for all of your shifts, not need to disappear off early, and are able to do the work you’re allocated pretty much independently (in most workplaces). This does mean that it is hard for businesses, especially small ones, to be blind to disability even if they want to be. In a company with 1000 employees it doesn’t make a massive difference if Laura doesn’t come in for 2 weeks due to a flare up, or has to leave early every other Tuesday for a hospital appointment, but for small businesses who may have a total of what, 4 or 5 staff members, being 1 person down even for a single day last minute has a huge impact. The result being that employers are more likely to go for someone who they know will turn up & isn’t going to be in and out. If the government could provide some funding to lessen the risk for these businesses, allowing them to hire say 1.5 for each role, then it doesn’t make so much difference when someone is off so the risk lessens.

I'm talking about those with disabilities being forced, not employers.

Anybody?

I developed functional neurological disorder due to CPTSD and a huge amount of autoimmune conditions one after the other.

What a disgusting comment.

So did my dc, at the same age.
I believe my DC could work. Not enough to not need support from disability support services or benefits of one sort or another. But it's a bit depressing to decide that burnout at 21 means you still won't be able to work 25 or 30 years later, even part time, even in a specialist interest area, surely?

I mean there have been lots of articles saying that job seekers allowance simply is not enough to live on so people are 'encouraged' to seek disability benefits (mental health e.g.) as the rates paid are higher. Once on those, there are no real conditions as with the job seekers allowance. That's what I meant, nothing about the 'medical evidence'.

It would clearly be better to ensure that those who find themselves suddenly out of work get a better rate and more support because, invariably, once you're on sickness benefits it is very hard, psychologically, to come back from that and enter the work place, so these people become forever inactive.

What sort of jobs and how many do you have available?

My lovely (full time working) friend has fibromyalgia. She is under the care of a neurologist. She is in extreme pain for much of the time with a drug regime that would make you wince. She looks old beyond her years because of the toll of pain. Please don’t dismiss it as some “wishy washy” illness because it really isn’t. For the record, she doesn’t claim PIP even though she really should. That would help pay for therapies she can’t currently afford.

Still totally ignorant. Your information is completely wrong.

People with chronic illness get depressed. Because it's really depressing being in pain and managing symptoms. It is not a mental illness. That's fact. Your opinion is irrelevant.

Mecfs is a physical condition and that has long since been accepted. Sadly there are those still peddling the myths. George Monbiot has written well about the history of MEcfs and what patients have suffered. https://www.monbiot.com/2024/03/27/first-do-no-harm/

I have disabilities and I work. I’ve had support from ATW to be able to work from home. I also work in the disability field and don’t claim PIP.,