So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

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That’s not been my experience.

Do you post about your healthy normative day to day life with no requests for advice or help?

Or is it possible that it's a self selection process you're seeing?

People who need support are more likely to be on forums that offer it, surely?

No they won't, they don't now. Just like any other employer it's right person, right job, right time. Aside from a very small number of roles (very small, generally the kind of thing where you're a subject matter expert with qualifications and you only get flexibility because you've got too much work to do for the organisation to insist you do 9-5), if you're offering services to students the staff have to be available to the students and services have to be staffed when the students need them to be. Same for local authorities - services dictate the locations work can be done in, and the hours that need to be covered. And if you're offering care services you have to be consistently available and able to work to a given standard.

I’m autistic with ADHD. I hold down a job and don’t need or claim any benefits.
My son has the same neurodivergent brain as me but he has moderate learning difficulties.

‘At 18 he was nowhere near enough ready for the world of work. At age 22 he now might be. For me the big change I wanted to see is there…..he can try working in a job without losing his benefits to see if he’s employable. If he’s not then everything stays the same. This is a change which has been long needed.

im hoping though to see some structure around supporting young people in my son’s position. He won’t cope in care homes, hospitals or education places but he might in a supermarket or as a farm helper.

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hy such an unpleasant reply?
Many mental health issues are dealt with more more effectively by being in a routine/ working.
I know myself that when I was grieving i would have slid into a much darker place if I hadn't forced myself to work

Perhaps some of the money saved from disability benefits needs to be spent on funds that would encourage employers to invest in disabled employees. Money to support reasonable adjustments, for example, or incentives for employers who offer flexible, sustainable, long term jobs to people who have been out of work for a long time.

I don’t just have mobility issues. I can’t work from home. I can’t work out of the home. I’ve been assessed as doing so by my consultant and no Govt minister or welfare reform will charge that.

I don’t use the excuse that I can’t walk as an excuse not to work. My multiple illnesses and disabilities stop me from working.

Could you try somewhere like the checkout in a supermarket? They always seem to be advertising. This might be an option?

Which environment is this? That's so friendly to wheelchair users?

Do you think people using wheelchairs have no other issues than non working legs? Pain? Toileting? Movement? Other issues?

There are lots of fora, but in AIBU alone, the numbers are startling. I had no idea that disability was quite as prevalent as it actually appears to be.

So why are you commenting then? You are posting like you are going to loose your benefits and be forced into work when clearly that won’t be the case.

Thank you @thankyounextplease .This is exactly the sort of information that the government should and could have collected if it were genuinely trying to help sick and disabled people into work. If it had started with a conversation about that and been open to listening to feedback and ideas.

But instead the government was set on saving £5 billion and went for cuts which are going to affect many, many disabled people. The real shocker is the change to eligibility for Personal Independence Payment, which is not even an ‘ out of work ‘ benefit, where you might make a case that it deters (some) people from working. On the contrary, PIP is paid regardless of work and indeed helps many people, including some who I know, stay in work.

In addition, it strikes me that as PIP is often used to pay for help, quite a few people will lose their jobs or self employed income, because disabled clients will no longer have the money to employ them.

Well done, Labour…

That's what I'm.thinking. many people if they could just about manage work it would maybe only be able to be for two hours at a time, a couple times a week. And they couldn't guarantee they'd be well even on those specific days. So they'd kind of need to just be able to just literally choose when they work without being penalised? No employer would accept such an arrangement. Nor would the work pay sufficient wages to sustain someone to have a vaguely decent standard of living.

As I understood it @TheFairyCaravan was disputing the idea that jobs in care homes were flexible and accessible not claiming that people using wheelchairs can't work. ETA I see she's clarified that.

I signed off ESA and ended my PIP claim this afternoon, I can't be doing with the stress of it and the level of hate I recieve for claiming. I haven't been able to work full time since I was left disabled during an armed robbery at work anyone would think I asked for it.

I now have no means to support myself, I haven't eaten today as I know once I go downstairs I'll struggle to get back up them to where the toilet is. So I have no idea what I could do for work. I'm still waiting for my missing bones to grow back like DWP said they would. So I'll be moving in the next few days, I'm going to commit a crime that will get me locked up, 3 meals a day and a bed ... that'll do me.

Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you sound very young.

But just a snapshot that you might like to think about. I can shower and dress independently, but it takes me approximately two hours. And it works okay if an employer would be happy for me to turn up and leggings and a T-shirt. I can't do Buttons zips or wear anything too close Fitting. I don't really have the dexterity to use any of the tools you can get to help with Buttons and zips. Then because of all the medication they have me on, I have the shakes feel very nauseous and need to sit down frequently before I pass out.
I need to be in close proximity to a toilet because the medication I am on makes urination frequent and urgent. The medication also makes it very difficult to concentrate and think things through. I can't stand for more than a few minutes (I'll just pass out)

Tell me what job sitting on my arse do you suggest I do??? That no one else could do equally as well without 101 modifications to a the workplace b) my hours and c) Transport to get there?

I was a perfectly average tax paying 55-year-old woman before I had the stroke, out of the blue. I have worked and pay taxes since I was 18. Why do you object now to me being given a little help when I need it??

While I am very glad we don't liv ein a country where people have the option of working or starving I do sometimes think that of those were the only options SOME (not all) people who are on sickness benefits would find a way to work.
Trouble is how do we know who can work with some support and encouragement and who can't no matter what help they get?

The problem is, this is exactly the sort of work the people being targeted by this are going to be funnelled into, and it's the worst thing you could possibly do to them.

There is practically no such thing as a "checkout" job, because those staff you see sitting on checkouts are usually expected to do plenty of stock work both front of shop and behind the scenes

Supermarkets are notoriously terrible employers, managers wholly ignoring basic employment rights, staff treated like dirt on the whole, zero hours contracts (which Labour has abandoned any pretence of tackling), staff expected to be available for shifts at a moment's notice despite being paid minimum wage. They are exactly the type of employer who exploited the long-term out of work before the EU put an end to the "work placement" scams run by the DWP.

Do you seriously think this is the perfect "opportunity" for people already dealing with serious mental and physical health issues?

Well I have autism, depression and anorexia and I’ve never not had a job in my life. These are the people they are targeting. I currently work for the civil service and thus practically fall over themselves to offer me reasonable adjustments. But it’s flexible working anyway and I find I manage my day according to my needs by myself.

I've noticed some similar changes for reasonable adjustments that have been in place for a long time are suddenly an issue. It is so unbelievably stressful.

I'm very much aware that employers have to make reasonable adjustments, but I think some people aren't aware how hard it can be to get them and keep them.

@InvisibilityCloakActivatedthere are so many things out there to support people. Free diet and nutrition courses, one to one telephone support, buddy’s to help you access services if you are feeling anxious, free exercise classes etc it’s out there, you just need to look. Volunteering is an excellent way to gain skills and lots of volunteer roles will support you into work.
The support is out there, it might just take a bit of work for people to find it.

I just want to say that it is possible to find supportive employers. My employer accepts I may need to work from home or do short days at times . And they accept I will need chunks of sick leave. They also know I work hard as much as I can.

There are schemes to help with equipment and taxis to get to work. I use a wheelchair if my muscles aren't working but I want to go into the office.

My husband and children do the housework to enable me to manage the pressures of work

I don't have an amazing quality of life due to my disability and I am often bed bound, but working brings me a lot mental health benefits and I love that I am not dependent on others or the state financially.

I often struggle to do a lot of things like wash my hair, cook etc but I am determined to keep working and it's a huge source of pride. It enables us to still have a good quality of life as a family.

It would be good to see employers, family members and the community at large doing all they can to enable people to get to work as there are so many benefits to working even when it seems hard to keep going. Its only possible though if people support and facilitate it