So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

Speaking as a current Wheelchair user, let’s face it very few people are going to be offering the disabled, (especially Wheelchair users) jobs. That’s the reality of this situation, and it kills me that the government think differently. Also speaking as the retired director of a large company, if you have two people at the end of an interview, both equally qualified, both equally experienced for a job, but One is a wheelchair user or has a serious disability, which you as an employer may have to spend money to accommodate (make reasonable adjustment for)…. Which one are you going to choose?. be honest people it’s likely to be the one who is able-bodied… the one on whom you don’t have to spend any money. I’ve applied for jobs. It’s hard enough to get one when you are able-bodied and qualified….. but try being a Wheelchair user, or having a serious disability which marks you out from able-bodied people…. Frankly, you’ll get a lot of sympathy and not a lot else.( well that’s what I found). The trouble is able bodied people do not see the world as disabled
pepole do. The government have virtually no understanding of what it’s like to be disabled…. How many of them have spent any time stuck in a wheelchair?…. How many of them I’ve tried to do a job, when their first concern is where they are going to go to the loo ( because you can’t assume that every workplace has a disabled loo). If TFL can’t get transport in London appropriately working for disabled people, how are people supposed to get to work, if they have no car ?. Supposed to get on a bus which either doesn’t stop for them or allows a mother with a push chair to get on in front of them and then tells you there’s no room for you ?. This is just typical of the government…. Blind…. And naive, and stupid….. the government have a very long way to go to understanding disability, and a very long way to go to understanding getting disabled people back to work is never going to be a quick or easy fix from any aspect. But like all things it will take time for them to learn it’s not going to happen….

Against a background of making employing people more difficult for businesses…

Feel pretty stupid working damnned hard for goodness knows how many hours weekly to bring home less than some people on benefits. Benefits should be a safety net, not promote idleness. Many people work on line and the Govmt is trying to get people to do what they can. Should be not able, not don't want to work.

DS22 doesn't need Liz Kendall's so called "dignity of work". He needs the dignity of care first.
He has multiple MH diagnoses and if anyone employed him in a school or a care home- the solution suggested by a PP- they'd be sued: he is very unstable and has frequent psychotic episodes where he becomes hostile and belligerent. I don't think the children (or the old people) would like the self harm scars on his face.
MH care is absolutely woeful. Anyone who makes the universal claim that working is good for mental health is just publicly demonstrating their complete ignorance.
His claim for PIP was turned down twice. I look after him but the Job Centre are forcing me into work.

This is the issue. I can work but often have a 'bad pain day' and just can't manage. The amount of times I was referred to occupational health just mad eme feel utterly shit and like I have to constantly justify myself and apologise.
I'm sick of saying sorry when I'm OK 80% of the time

This is the usual blinkered illogical not properly thought through nonsense that we've had from successive government for decades! 🙄
Different departments don't seem to be able or want to liaise with other departments so they have no idea if the policies they're proposing to put into place are even feasible or workable as is being proved (although not really talked about yet!) in this instance, where many non disabled people can't find jobs...employers have got the 'pick of the crop', many don't want to have what they perceive as the 'bother' of employing a disabled person and even some leaving university with decent degrees can't even find work!! 😡

Labour are going to make it impossible to sack anyone.

I 'brought home' 1200 a month on benefits (solo parent 1 child 2 bed house) . My rent was 600 so wasn't exactly raking it in. Living on 600 a month was Not fun or easy.

Why can’t you take someone to interview with you? There is no reason why you shouldn’t ask. Indeed many employers now ask candidates if there are any adjustments their organisation can make for their comfort and confidence on the day. Equally, there will be lots of support available to develop interview skills alongside confidence and positivity.

Well maybe you would like their disabilities to go alongside their huge benefit income!

Can they come to work with me too?

This is funny. To end on.
www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/work/decision-of-whether-youre-disabled-or-not-to-be-outsourced-to-blokes-in-a-pub-20250318255632?fbclid=IwY2xjawJH56JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTzoCdBdmw064fYMloxOu1qh2pSfVXpHtbLTDC3NGaku8sk1d6CHtsrdJQ_aem_9edSdpIeaXM68LriaWaZUA

It’s the people who are off woek due to mental health issues that the Government wants to
encourage to get back out there

the numbers are growing and growing and growing

these pwoplw are not incapable of working

100% agree with this. What is needed is a values based economy not an an economy based on 'value' What you describe would push up GDP. What some people seem to misunderstand is that when governments cut spending (and borrowing) this shrinks the economy. The public sector will not willingly cut profits, or raise pay. But if they have to compete more for an educated, skilled, and healthy workforce they have little choice but give workers a greater share of the wealth created. Low wages, unemployment and rising inequality is one of the reasons Government is in the predicament its in.

Are you their psychiatrist? How do you know that?
Some people with mental health issues keep well by keeping demands low. Some stress you might take for granted and brush off can send someone into an acute episode.

The thing that puzzles me is why we have so many more people claiming disability benefits than other similar countries. How do other countries do this? I'm not saying they are better, but I wonder what other systems are like if there are not so many claimants.

The basic UC entitlement is not enough to live on. Now UC with the sickness group is not enough to live on so people go for PIP.
The Tories came up with the idea of making PIP a requirement for UC sickness group so now more people are trying to get PIP.

These people?

Are you saying that every single person with a mental health illness is capable of working?

I would hope that you aren't that ignorant and you have just worded your post badly, but with the level of ignorance on this thread it is hard to tell.

I am baffled as to why the government haven't looked into how many people have developed chronic illnesses since covid and the vaccinations, surely they should see they are partly to blame for these high numbers claiming when they pushed us into taking the vaccines. I know more people who have become quite ill since covid and yet they have no answers 🤷‍♀️

Actually they can. They could choose to introduce a wealth tax to raise the money instead.

That will be me then. I’d like to work. But it needs to be wfh as I don’t leave the house. I have severe anxiety and shake all the time. I have psychotic episodes quite regularly and have to be sectioned but I’m sure an employer won’t mind that. Also when psychotic I think people want to kill me and become very distressed. Oh, I self harm daily but I’m sure clients won’t mind the scars all over me and the open wounds.
I used to work in safeguarding. It’s heartbreaking how things can change.

I disagree. My problems arr all mental and I am not capable of working. Im barley capable of keeping myself safe.

They seem to be out Torying the Nasty party.
Too many ministers looking up to Trumps way by the sound of it. Ministers saying employers will need to be flexible have been dreaming. 5 people go for a position you choose the one that will fit easily (5 the odds are against but most jobs it will be 20 to 100).
Read that fraud from pip has dropped from 2% to almost negligible. But hey make more expensive complicated systems so it looks like your being sensible by daily fail readers.
Very few will go into work
Some will go into gov made up jobs remember Thatchers YTS schemes
More will be pushed to homelessness, suicide & some criminality.

I'm used to hearing of people killing themselves due to government callousness. I'm not used to that government calling themselves Labour.

Sorry minor rant

from beginning to end for my son, 5 years.

For me as an adult. 2.

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