So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

My best guess is complications. Many people have their cleft palate/lip corrected as babies with little to no issues.

Which is why I brought up my son. The cancer he had has a 90% survival rate and he's in remission which is wonderful but complications happened and his body will never be the same again.

I don't know if you are telling the truth on here or even live here so I don't think I can actually be being callous to you. I'm just doing my own research now "educating myself" and it's an eyeopener.

The sole reason for PIP being awarded to 44people was cleft palate. No other criteria applied in those cases.

I'm sorry for your son.

I would also point out that PIP is paid to people in work, often allowing them to work - ie it funds the reasonable adjustments that allow them to access work alongside peers without similar difficulties.

So yes, someone with incontinence may have some of their their additional costs through PIP so they can access work.

And that PIP is often very hard to get - what might be instructive is to look at ‘number of applications approved vs applications made’ for different conditions.

Yes, there’s a fictional child in my house that doesn’t require changing multiple times a day, doesn’t need new bedding every week, and isn’t otherwise heavily disabled.

I made all that up just to prove a point to a random person on the internet with all the compassion of a teaspoon.

We get it love, you pay tax 👏🏻👏🏻. That tax goes towards supporting those less able or more vulnerable than you.

PIP claims are rising by roughly 1,000/day according to Rachel Reeves. The country cannot afford it. That's all I am saying. And that I object to claimants that aren't genuine..as I said upthread, I've read my Dickens and I'm glad we live in a country with a welfare state. I just don't like liars and fakers and people who live off the back of other's work without a genuine reason. If you are telling the truth here then I feel very sorry for yoir child and would have no objection to any payment that he qualifies for of course.

Which is usually corrected as a baby. If someone is claiming PIP, they aren't a baby so clearly they didn't have the surgery for whatever reason which can then cause significant eating issues or they did but something went wrong.

Despite the fact that my son is in remission now, I'm almost certain that his DLA claim would be filed under cancer because it was cancer that caused all of his issues.

That’s interesting?

Not really sure what point you’re making.

Some of those claimants will be taxpayers. As someone mentioned previously, PIP isn’t means tested.

I have seen your edit, it was just first sentence when I responded. My genuine view is that ‘tax payer money’ is wasted in lots of ways, and on lots of things we can’t afford. Sure, we need to save money, but do it elsewhere.

If anything, disability in this country needs more funding, not less. Focus on a different budget and cost save elsewhere.

I can't see how you can't understand the point I'm making? I just don't agree with making up stuff to get funded by tax payers. Nothing wrong with that view I assume.

Why do you think it is being made up?

Ed Davey was on This Morning recently with a woman whose mum was abused in a care home.
They had a debate about what could be done to stop this kind of abuse.
But the one thing that wasnt brought up is the one thing no Govenment will ever do including the Lib Dems if they ever got in.
And that is to stop care work being advertised through Job Centres or stop ppl being threatened with UC sanctions if they dont take a care position. Stopping Job Centres doing this will stop someone possibly taking their resentment out on the clients (not saying everyone forced by sanction would do this) just saying its a risk. Why is it ok for elderly people to be collateral damage to get unemployment figures down. They would never take the same risks with children by forcing the claimant to be a child minder or be sanctioned.
I realise this is not what you were talking about but it all ties into the fact that the job is not valued.

What do you mean? Do you think every claim for PIP is genuine?

You responded with one sentence, then added to it. I have now replied to your longer response.

Oh OK. Sorry..was trying to be helpful.

The government needs to properly establish who is genuine and who is not and the go from there. If the current outlay is going to bankrupt the country and it is increasing by 1000 claims/day there is no alternative unfortunately.

You’ve already shown your true colours now.

What you actually said was “why should the tax payer have to pay for someone with a condition that makes them incontinent, and maybe they’ll be left if they can’t afford it.”

You can backtrack now, but you have already essentially said you don’t agree with having to pay for the health conditions of others, out of your hard earned cash.

Oh don't be so ridiculous. "My true colours". Hilarious. You know nothing about anyone on this thread.

And I said something along the lines that if the country is bankrupt and there's no money then yes people will have to fund themselves somehow. If there's no money then yes that's the outcome. Which presumably the government are trying to avoid by making sure all claimants are genuine?

And what's wrong with objecting to fake claimants?

That's fantastic, well done. I have a daughter with autism and high anxiety who works 40 hours a week - one day at home, and I know the struggles she goes through. However, if the worst came to the worst and you found yourself out of work - do you think you could find another job so easily and so flexible? I doubt my daughter would ever be employed again - and for anyone facing this situation it is rather frightening.

Do you believe that everyone who is genuinely eligible for PIP is successful in being granted it?

In every system, the difficulties in genuine applicants being able to access what they are due have to be weighed against the number of those able to access what they are not eligible for.

The PIP assessment system is not perfect, in either direction. It would be worth looking at reconsideration / appeal stats to see how many who are eligible are initially denied.

The problem is that the costs of assessing eligibility in yet more forensic detail, defending appeals etc etc may well outweigh any savings from payments made to those not genuinely eligible.

I would cite the parallel example of EHCPs for SEN children, again an exploding cost - but councils’ response of routinely denying applications has cost huge amounts in the vast proportion which are allowed on appeal, with all the additional costs that entails.

I'm amazed too. Apparently 10% of the entire population is disabled.

ADHD entitles you to non means tested PIP. I had no idea this was the case until I learned a lot more about benefits recently.

Now I understand why so many of my teenage DDs friends have apparently got ADHD. She even came home one day saying she thinks she's got it! They must all discuss it at school.

She absolutely doesn't have it but knows all the symptoms through her friends so it is possible if she applied she could get a diagnosis and then apply for PIP!

ADHD is a diagnosis that allows extra time in exams and various other benefits. I think laptops. And yes schools seem to be encouraging the diagnosis for obvious reasons. My own personal and unsubstantiated view is it can also be due to smartphones. I'm pretty sure I've got it now too!

Also perhaps worth exploring to what extent rising PIP and other disability-related costs are in fact the onward effects of a failing NHS - to what extent many of the conditions being paid for, or preventing people from working without support, would be dealt with much more quickly and effectively if the NHS was offering diagnosis and treatments in a more timely and effective manner.

Oh your responses are really anything but hilarious.

If there’s “no money,” then lots of people won’t be able to fund themselves. You’re talking about an impossibility. I may be misreading, but the ease you’re seeming to say “yes well they’ll have to struggle,” is really unpleasant.

The application process is rigorous, and reviewed. You’ve been told that already though. Unless you’ve seen these forms and know what’s on them, rather than just the label/category they’re in, your assumption that they’re false claims could be hugely off.

I’ve got no issue with those who don’t need benefits not being given them. I don’t qualify for or claim anyway - don’t need them.

But reforming disability benefit of any kind to make it even harder to get, will hit people who really do need them too, and that’s unfair.

My genuine view is that they should have left it alone, and reformed elsewhere. Maybe starting with tax avoidance.

Apply for PIP!

I think I've got it too! Must have caught it from DD.

DD has got a dyslexia diagnosis, wonder if that entitles her to benefits...