So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

And knowing how humans love to exploit each other, perhaps there could be a catchy motivational sign over the entrance, like, I don't know, "work will set you free" perhaps? And when regulators popped round, any talented inmates could play in an orchestra and smile for the cameras?

How can restricting people's freedom and autonomy be considered in any way "not punitive"?

How much productivity could be achieved, given that the costs of running such places would have to be less than the "profit"?

I am hoping this post was sarcasm, but if it isn't and if it's thought to be a good "solution" I really do despair.

Do I get to to live with my husband at this self-contained community?

Meanwhile when my son had a stoma, it made things even worse for him. He doesn’t have crohns but the idea of the stoma improving his quality of life was similar.

It was horrendous and his surgeon got him in for his reversal surgery as soon as it was safe to do so.

That’s the thing, people are different and can have similar issues with different outcomes.

I wonder if I can do my normal job whilst living there? Or would I have to get another job in this community.

Who would help care for my husband?

I mean, your idea is clearly brilliant. Well played.

That’s not a real suggestion, surely. Work prisons.

You used the words "a cross between a Victorian workhouse, a prison and a company town", all of which limit freedom and autonomy. While some company towns may have worked well when philanthropy was a hobby of the 19th century industrialists, most were a cover for indentured servitude, trapping people in the poverty they claimed to alleviate.

Is it really voluntary if there is no other viable option?

What of families being separated, the impact on children?

This smacks of out of sight, out of mind, as long as the profit is generated.

If you were desperate, and disabled, would you be rushing to sign up?

That’s actually fine for some people. Keep the current system, I don’t mind paying for it, and I’m sure there are others that don’t.

I genuinely do not care about paying for DLA, PIP, Attendance Allowance or Carers Allowance. Not a single bit.

So yes, let’s not send them to a work camp when we could all just develop some humanity and pay for it.

Well how about we look at tax avoidance and evasion? Or the government itself with its failed vanity projects? Or the shuffling around of contracts between ministers and dodgy shell companies?

How about recalibration of a market that asset strips and profiteers leaving people in debt to struggle paying for the basics? How about looking at how billions can be written off in debt for big corporations while Ethel has her TV confiscated for failing to pay debts that grow with interest and charges that go straight into the pockets of "businessmen" to get special planning deals from nearly bankrupt councils?

Just a few ideas.

Got a laugh emoji on this, not sure why. I assume someone is cynical that people with Crohn's can sometimes achieve wellness or expect good quality care.

No one should just accept wasting away in agony when this is a condition with multiple treatment options including an ever growing list of medications and surgery and people can and do achieve disease free periods.

I would not accept this for my daughter who has Crohn's and your friend should not accept it. If her IBD team is so useless that they are literally just suggesting restricting her diet then she needs to complain or ask to switch hospitals.

Erm, do I?

Or do the government need to realign who they’re targeting, and the general public need to not encourage that by wanting to lock disabled people away until they prove “their worth”?

I’m not responsible for changing other people’s shitty attitudes.

I feel like they're aimed at me and others like me. Who maybe don't have a very obvious physical disease. I'm terrified. The reforms will lead people who are unable to work to be denied enough money. They've changed the goalposts. That doesn't make someone more capable of work.

@BobbyBiscuits , if your issue is genuine my understanding is that you have nothing to fear.

How about the rich and powerful rather than the most vulnerable and poor?

Straight out of the Reform playbook
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Everyone keeps saying that. It is not reassuring at all. Even people you deem as genuine are going to lose money.

Thank you for answering!

Or those who really need help will face huge barriers of bureaucratic and medical ‘proof’ that their disability make extraordinarily difficult to gather.

Severe and acute mental health difficulties; energy-limiting disorders; physical conditions that limit any appointments or meetings out of the home; impaired cognitive ability - all of these will make extremely worthy applicants unable to ‘just complete the 26 page form and supply medical evidence from 2 different specialists supporting your case’.

I have had recent experience applying for reasonable adjustments for a disabled student, where the process for application was directly discriminatory against their particular disability. While I completely understood the need for ‘a robust process’ in the face of increasing demand, the process itself prevented the genuine cases from successfully applying. The less disabled you were, the easier it would have been to apply.

I work as a consultant psychiatrist.

When I did Liaison psychiatry and worked in a general hospital, we had so many referrals for Crohn’s disease patients. I feel that illnesses like this and ulcerative colitis do not get enough focus or research. They can be completely debilitating. The physical discomfort/agony, the exhaustion, the inability to leave home and the side effects of powerful medications can be horrendous. And of course it will affect mental health for many of these patients.

It is so easy to take health for granted until you lose it.

My DS cannot work bc he needs to nap frequently. I'd like to see them try and make him work.

My daughter has Crohn's and she has friends with Crohn's.

She is currently in symptomatic remission. She has 100 percent attendance in school bar going to hospital for her 3 monthly bloods. She is on adalimubab and azathioprine. Her friend on infliximab is also well and has been for 5 years.

Her Crohn's is severe and she has had one resection, delayed puberty and some growth restriction. However right now she does live a completely normal life and there is every hope for her future. One of her teachers has UC. It is possible for some people to live full and happy lives with IBD.