So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

One other thing to add is that there is possibly an unfortunate side effect of the visibility of highly successful disabled people. The paralynpics and presence of disabled celebrities might give the wrong impression that the severely disabled can do anything with will power and determination and I think this attitude is non real stic. Instead of unrelenting positivity about disability (Though for understandable reasons) we need to counterbalance by showing the real lives of the dis abled. Poverty, social hous ing, isolation,, abuse etc. A more rounded portrayal of the disabled community would maybe elicit more understanding from the puboic.

The main purpose of Brexit was to get rid of low skilled migrant workers and give those jobs to British people. Loads of vacancies in hospitality agriculture, social care and construction. Just need training schemes to get people up and running.

The physically disabled do really well in construction.....The best workers 🙄

Would people necessarily want someone to work now social care where they may keep erratic hours due to a disability or not be able to perform caring take well because of a disability? Are employers going to morally and legally take on this liabioity?

Those with crippling arthritis picking fruit all day ....no problem. The severely autistic person in retail who handles complaints from angry customers ...what could possibly go wrong?

The BBC driver with ADHD?

@WinterBones
I am well aware of that thank you and I didn’t say it was!
However, too many are claiming it as an alternative to work and the associated disability premiums on UC as a result.

Labour are proving themselves to be absolutely shameful. Labour voter of 20 years and won’t be voting for them again.

My twin sister and I have Crohn’s disease. At times we have been extremely unwell and spent large amounts of time in hospital. Both of us managed to hold down our careers and now have a good quality of life working part time with no benefits. We also have ‘normal’ social lives and go to the gym etc. I’m so pleased we didn’t give up on life and resign ourselves to a life on benefits in our 20s.
it also helps that the treatments these days are so much better than they used to be.

@bloopbloopeee
I don’t think the poster was suggesting it doesn’t exist, more that there are some people falsely claiming to have these disorders or exaggerating symptoms in order to avoid working. This is a fact, the government knows this and it is these people the reforms are trying to weed out.

You don’t get PIP for adhd and a bit of anxiety

Loads of vacancies in the very jobs that need excellent physical health and robust psychological health, and have little to no scope for accommodations to be made. Wheelchair ramp up the scaffolding? Suicide netting all over the building site? Exemptions from use of dangerous equipment? Ask the elderly, disabled person to get themselves out of bed and onto the toilet, because you’re disabled, too? As for hospitality - 🤣. We all know how hospitable the general public are to the physically and mentally unwell. They don’t generally find it enjoyable to be served by someone wincing in pain, looking miserable, or physically less capable of doing what they are doing than their customer. It kind of ruins the hospitality vibe.

Exactly.

Exactly this!

thank you 🤗

No, I didn't.

The other poster said she wished you never found yourself in need of disability benefits, I said I wasn't feeding as kind as her because sometimes that's what it takes for people like you to understand what it's like to be disabled and not be so unkind. It's not the same thing at all..

Funny how you think my post deserved to be deleted but yours didn't

Crohns disease is one of the worst illnesses and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, ever. The agony I'm in is unreal. My poor neighbours can often hear me groaning, sobbing and yelling in pain. Nothing helps. I shit myself constantly because it causes bowel incontinence. I use the toilet 10+ times a day and cannot keep food and drink in, so have to have meal replacement shakes which don't stay in either. I have to sit in hospital for regular infusions, operations, feeds. Not absorbing any nutrients causes me to have severe anaemia, malnutrition and I faint if I move.

My colleague has a crohns and a stoma, the stoma was a game changer. Almost all corporates (ours included) make loads of adjustments and concessions for disabilities. I have colleagues with major heart conditions, cancer, with children with disabilities, people caring for elderly relatives. I have a relative with cancer & type 1 diabetes who has always worked (with sick leave when in hospital eg for surgery & treatment).

Believe it or not, getting up and going to work every day really can help people feel good, especially with mental health. It can also widen the circle of people around you to provide support. A member of my team suffered a bereavement recently and we've all rallied round to support her. Our employer provides mental health support and private health insurance that has meant many of us have accessed treatment for things which could have limited our ability to work. There are several staff groups providing support with a range of things. People seem to write off companies as not willing to employ anyone but ive had 4 jobs in the last 10 years and all of those employers have offered flexible work, mental health support & a range of other things to facilitate work.

@NapT1me
You’re very naive if you really think that, There are many out there who know exactly what to say on the forms. There are even people who take payment to fraudulently coach others on what to say or even complete the forms for them.

Let’s face it there’s zero patience for people. Majority of people will have experienced this when they have driving lessons and everyone can see it’s a learner vehicle yet you still get idiots beeping and being nasty to someone learning and they were in that position once but seem to forget and as always people are in a rush.
It’ll be like that on a bigger scale, irritation at someone taking longer than usual to serve you in a shop or cafe, resentment over coworkers getting breaks and adjustments and In your eyes ‘doing less but getting the same pay’ , someone taking too long to deal with a phone query etc etc as they need processing time .

people right now want the disabled in employment i keep reading how people feel the disabled shouldn’t get more in benefits than they get FT and how it’s a drain on taxpayers, in a few months or years they won’t like it and will want the disabled in employment to not need expensive adaptations, reasonable adjustments, extra time off etc for the same pay as again it’ll be the same ‘it’s not fair’. I expect the government will then say workplace costs and access to work are costing too much and they have to have a reform for that . Basically be disabled but don’t act like it or need any support or help.

They ought to be being understanding and forgiving if the absence is related to a disability, otherwise they are breaking the law

These are the people I’m worried about, those with serious mental health disorders. Whose medication makes their conditions manageable but the pressure of full time work could push them off their meds to feel like they can cope better. and then they get into a dangerous spiral when community care is already cut to the bone.

My daughter's best friend has ADHD and she gets PIP.

She worked pt until her PIP award was announced then she stopped and said she wasn't going to work again because the PIP award alone was the same as/more than she was getting in her PT job. She has declared she won't work again and now lives solely on benefits and lives in an HMO. She's 20 now.

My daughter started at university this year and has a pt job that she uses to help fund it.

This friend has mocked her for having a job saying that she gets more on PIP than my daughter gets through work and she's an idiot for working and even more of an idiot for taking on student loans (the career she is training for requires a specific degree and cant be done otherwise). My daughter is Deaf (aided) and also has ADHD and her friend advised her not to go to university, because she'll also be able to just get PIP instead (she wouldn't and she doesn't need it).

The problem is that this young woman is 20 and all she can see at the moment is that she has enough money to eat noodles (so she's not hungry) and party. She can't project into the futture and see she might not want to live that way in her 30s, 40s or beyond. Her big plan for the next 12 months is to have a baby further trapping herself into this lifestyle.

Yes, she gets more in benefits (Inc PIP) than my daughter does currently but that's a short term situation and my daughter has career aspirations that will (hopefully!) give her choices in the future. Her friend isn't thinking about the longer term and is just happy she doesn't have to get a job like the other 'idiots' who work.

Their friendship is still holding strong at the moment but my daughter has already said that most of the people she hangs around with now live similarly and their lives revolve around getting angry at 'the social', the ones who have already had babies have SS involvement and the difference between them both is more obvious. She knows there is a time limit of this friendship now because their lives are moving in such different ways.

This woman has been to our house, stayed over, eaten with us. She's had these conversations with me. This isn't a "I overheard a conversation in the pub..." or "There's a bloke who lives on my street..." scenario. I've heard this straight from the horses mouth.

This is exactly the sort of situation that I think the reforms are intended to address. Unfortunately, there wil be many other people who are caught in the crossfire. Or at least have uncertainty over whether they will.

Except that was never going to happen. The immigrants were filling in jobs that the British didn't want or couldn't afford to do. Very few people would be willing to live on a farm for months at the time without seeing their families for rock bottom wages.

If they wanted British people in these posts, they would need to put the wages up, but that's not likely to happen as nearly everyone is underpaid for their work.

It would be incredibly difficult to get enough points for ADHD alone. You have no idea what else she has or what services are involved.

You need evidence. I have filled out the very lengthy 14 page form for my daughter. You need to get enough points AND provide evidence.

@WantedToChangeMyNameForThis
Absolutely! Unfortunately there are many like her and this isn’t good for anyone or society as a whole.

I think we will see a lot of these stories . ‘My neighbour gets pip for a paper cut from 2 years ago’ , ‘my cousins boyfriends mum has been dead for 17 years but still works 40 hours a week’ . No matter what people have even if they are unconscious in ICU they’ll be gaslit that they are perceiving it wrong and that actually nothing they have is a reason to not work. Every condition will be minimised.

When the changes are in place it will be ‘my friend gets a free taxi to work it’s not fair she is fine’ and ‘my co worker gets more breaks than me and i resent her’ etc