So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

How delightful for you both. Clearly you're not that unwell, then. Being seriously ill isn't, "Giving up on life", by the way. I'm sorry you don't understand that conditions are variable and some people have multiple illnesses and disabilities that render them unable to do much at all.

@NapT1me
Ah of course, you’ve filled in one form and are an expert so it must be like that for everyone!
Again, you’re wrong.
This is not the case for everyone, you have the option to provide additional evidence but this is not essential. Simply putting GP details down is enough. They are not always contacted. Even if they are, these people know exactly what to say to their GP. This is not about your daughter who I’m sure is a genuine claim, it’s about those defrauding the system and exaggerating their symptoms to avoid work. Whether you like it or not, this is a fact and the reason why the reforms are necessary. I think you would be shocked if you knew how big an issue this was.

But regardless the point still stands, she is capable of work but doesn’t want to. That shouldn’t be accommodated by the state.

I agree. We desperately need a massive adult education training scheme in place, akin to our World leading system before it was dismantled in the 90s and 00s, where adults (and school leavers) could learn skills, trades, GCSEs and A levels, as well as professional qualifications, via local colleges (and polytechnics). It's a national disgrace/travesty that it was all scrapped due to the obsession with getting 50% to university and repurposing colleges for 16-21 year olds only.

It's got to be a multi-faceted approach to get disabled and unemployed back into the workplace, a mix of making it harder for those who "could" work, alongside training, alongside support to apply for jobs, alongside subsidies/support for employers to take people on. Just taking away peoples' benefits won't work without everything else. It has to be a complete all round package of support - support for the worker and support for the employer.

I do actually. I'm just choosing not to share her entire life on the Internet.

None of it precludes her from working in any capacity though and she did and was fine doing so before the PIP award and she has said as much. She has just decided that she'd rather not and, at the moment, the mechanisms are in place to facilitate that.

Are you actually having a laugh?

My friend has crohns do bad that she's had to eliminate almost everything from her diet. She looks anorexic, people assume she is intentionally starving herself. She frequently has rectal bleeds that land her in hospital. She's exhausted her employers capability procedure. She doesn't have energy to get out of bed. Her eyes are sunken in and you can see her bones through her clothes.

She's begging for help but they just keep telling her to eliminate more things from her diet. Medication makes her vomit.

She's been tube fed in hospital twice in the past year, which caused further irritation.

Yes it absolutely can stop you from working even when it's less serious than this.

No it wasn't. The campaign used immigration as a focal point but the real purpose of Brexit was so we could remove restrictions on business; roll back worker's rights, environmental protections, food safety standards etc.

It was designed to remove citizens protections under EU legislation and the architects of it are still pushing to remove us from the ECHR.

The same network of people behind Trump's project 2025 inspired bonfire were behind Brexit, immigration was simply a dog whistle to rally support.

As already mentioned earlier in the thread I have crohns I’ve also been hospitalised many times had an ng tube had multiple surgeries . The pain can be horrific you can’t focus on anything .

i don't think these idiots realise that Crohn's affects people differently depending on where in the digestive system it shows up.

My dad was similar to your friend, it basically starved him of nutrients. He did have an op, but lost a massive section of his bowel, had to live on a special diet as most foods made him horrendously ill, then died from Crohn's related malnutrition while in hospital with another ailment because he needed to be tube fed, but he couldn't absorb the nutrition from the tube feed.

But wait til someone comes back and mention again on a post where i say it killed my dad that their friend was fine...

I think sadly we have reached a point at such speed where the unqualified are expressing opinions about medical conditions they have little or no experience of and are declaring for all ‘but that’s not a reason to not work’ and assuming that all with a specific condition have the same symptoms , minimising those and giving reasons why it’s no excuse not to work. Seems that everyone had a certain opinion they were keeping quiet till now. It is like how autism is described as a spectrum and I’ve heard the saying ‘if you’ve met one autistic person - youve met one autistic person’ now we have an attitude that everyone is the same and they can all work and ‘no excuses’ and trotting out the ‘it’s unsustainable for the economy’

I think a lot of people turn to online forums when they're lonely at home or looking for advice, so it's not surprising a lot of regular users have health issues or children who they're worried about and turn to mumsnet.

I just hope (but without much optimism) that they are going support the disabled people they want to get back into work rather than leave it all on their parents to fight/support them. My son is autistic and in special school coming up to changing to pip. I’d love him to be able to work that would be my ultimate dream and I think he could do something with right support. Me and his dad both work full time as we’ve managed to align work times so one can do pick up and drop off at his school which is 10 miles away. I’m a higher rate tax payer. I’m just worried that we’ll be forced to facilitate ds attending random interviews etc that we then have to facilitate him getting to as at the minute he can’t use public transport and wouldn’t be safe to do so, as with working it would be my absolute dream if he could one day get himself there. It seems counter productive if one of us has to give up work to facilitate ds getting to interviews etc. I’m also worried about if he doesn’t get pip it cuts off other support you can apply for which has been useful, we’ve had a blue badge for ds last 3 years and its been a godsend in getting him out the house to things. Also other random things like we attend an sen swimming session at a water park but you need pip/dla as proof to access that session, ds wouldn’t cope with a normal public session so would mean not going at all

There is no realistic expectation that they will get jobs, but having them on job-seeker benefits where they can regularly be sanctioned and their benefits reduced if they aren't managing the required effort for weekly job seeking will be a LOT cheaper

I’m sceptical about this right to try without losing benefits as 1) pip isn’t means tested and 2) if it doesn’t work out will the disabled persons reasons why be accepted ?

This is one of the shittiest things I've read in my 16 years of "Mumsnetting".

Between the general tone of "what's the point?" and assuming all people with ADHD and autism are what - a liability? Fuckin hell.

That would be amazing but I’m not optimistic it will happen. My son is nearly 16, has an ehcp and attends special school. His special school finishes at 16 and I’m struggling to find a suitable post 16 placement. He’s defiantly not work ready or able to take on an apprenticeship. If there was something like school like he attended up to age 25 and they did life skills and work skills that would be amazing and maybe he’d be able to hold down a job eventually as he got older. But people up the thread are moaning about the money already being spent on sen and Sen transport so it’s unlikely to happen as too costly

Yes. Try to read other people posts too.

sorry about your dad but not everyone has such extreme cases of Crohn’s, as I said I know people who work and travel and do extreme sports with it. Just because your dad had it so bad doesn’t mean that all people have it.
so for people to say “oh she possibly can’t work because she have Crohn’s” is NOT TRUE.
Because it very much depends on the level and other factors.

the PP burned out from working for 2 years, then listed “many” autoimmune conditions implying that she definitely can’t work because of them. She is actually sounding work shy like many other people.

NOT YOUR DAD

It seems beyond ridiculous that those who need help to go to the toilet may now not get PIP. Nobody will employ them surely!

I honestly think there are people there who are not truly disabled but embellish their symptoms, yes. On illnesses where degree of impact on life hard to prove so it can be gamed (back pain, ADHD, stuff like that). And the numbers and this thread show that it’s true.

if you don’t why are you so sensitive about it? WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU

ps. If you haven’t met people in the hospital it doesn’t mean anything. It is self selection, obviously people with milder cases won’t be in the hospital as often so you won’t meet them as often. My friend exists, and she does actually have regular hospital appointments and flare ups but nevertheless all I said about her is true.

That would score 4 points.

You also need proof of PIP /DLA for a disabled persons railcard. It's not about a cheap ticket but being able to book access seats and ramps.

Also the treatments these days that are ‘so much better’ …
If the poster’s talking about biologic injections like Adalimumab, they make the patient immune-compromised, which in turn makes certain jobs difficult.

They can still sack you though regardless if it’s disability related or not

I have a genuine question. Is this self reported? Its very intimate topic, how can they validate that a person needs d (4 points) instead of c (2 points). If someone unscrupulous wants to embellish this need, what is stopping them?

I’m a wheelchair user currently doing my teacher training. The school I’m training in was built 15 years ago and is completely wheelchair accessible throughout, it’s amazing! I appreciate you may have other things to deal with too, I don’t know your full situation, but thought if you were keen to go back to working in education the information could be useful to you. Building regs mean new build schools will be wheelchair accessible. Getting round a classroom with 32 desks crammed in it is another matter though! 😂