So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

This is where things fall apart

Employers aren't charities and employing people with disabilities unfortunately soon leads to performance reviews as the disabled person cannot meet objectives which the company puts forward to make the employee worth the investment

There needs to performance standards for any employee and if those aren't met then employers as a matter of course have to manage performance.

We are just going to have a cycle of disabled people entering unsuitable jobs only to be managed out in a few weeks/months only for the cycle to start again. Also employers are going to be concerned about safety liability of any neural disability.

Do we want people with ADHD operating heavy machinery which needs focus? Are we going to put the autistic in public facing roles such as retail just to face a barrage of complaints from customers about communication difficulties? Are we going to accept the inevitable bullying of employees and the associated damage to the employee and tribunal costs?

Hard reality is there are going to be a lot of poor disabled people. There aren't these fantastical inclusive jobs that are floating around which readily accept disability.

who's giviung you hate for claiming and in what circumstances did the DWP say missing bones would grow back,
If this is true that you have ended your claim leaving you with no money then I'm afraid that was really daft of you

No, I couldn’t because as soon as someone needed a big box of washing powder, or a pack of beer or a couple of kilo of potatoes putting through someone else would need to do it for me.

I’d love to go out to work, being at home is horrible. It’s lonely and it’s isolating but not everyone can do it. And people like Liz Kendall don’t seem to grasp that.

I think some firms do let you take someone with you for interviews and maybe you could work from home on an admin type job with mostly paperwork.

I have a mild disability and I work. I have worked in the disability field for many years and the vast majority of disabled people I come across themselves work, some of whom receive ATW funding to support them in employment and/or PIP.

So I imagine there have always been a lot of people with some health condition/disability or another and most of them worked.

The vast majority of people posting on an issue are those affected by it. This is called selection bias. You cannot determine anything about the prevalence of disability in society from the number of responses to a thread about disability.

Would you go on to a thread about horses and, from the number of responses by horse owners, come to the conclusion that the majority of people were horse owners?

The customer lifts the products on to conveyor belt and cashier just gives them a little push through scan. Then conveyor carries them onwards. There would be no lifting involved.

Years ago I developed psychosis and was very unwell; I tried to kill myself and I lost my job. I went for a PIP assessment with lots of evidence (obviously because I was under the care of a Psychiatrist with very regular reviews and a psychiatric nurse), and was awarded 0 points. Not a single point. I didn't even bother challenging it because I was just devastated.

I really worry about how the changes are going to make a bad and unsafe process even worse. If I didn't have a husband who both looked after me and kept a roof over our heads, I wouldn't be here today. I genuinely think people will die because of this.

I have never done admin in my life. I don't even know what it means. The only time I have worked with computers has been to clean around them.
I have someone help me with my own paperwork. I can't do someone elses.

Disabled people will be fine scroungers and chancers won’t.

Will they?? I get loads more flexibility in my corporate job than I would get if I worked in a school.

There is no 'clearly' about it THAT is why people are worried!!

Thing is you're not better off working than being on benefits. There should be an Incentive to work. Instead, if you have no dependents you need to fund everything yourself. Dentist, prescriptions, glasses ... The system is a shit show.

Really? The customer always puts the item on the conveyor belt with the barcode on the right side, facing the right way? I don’t think they do.

You have to lift the item to find and scan the code. Supermarket staff also restock shelves which involves lifting.

Problem though is that the unemployment benefits have been insufficient so that people have had to claim for incapacity and then there are no conditions attached. Weird system, that did need changing.

Well if people are trying to get into work it's an option. Especially if it's someone with no qualifications/ work experience - supermarkets will take anyone. And I can't image they would force someone in a wheelchair to stack shelves. Plenty of people work in supermarkets to keep a roof over their kids heads and put food on the table. You do what you have to do. If people's benefits are going to be cut then they're going to have to look at all the options.

Hit someone when they’re already down, @Mightymoog ?

@DimplesToadfoot I can totally understand why you ended your claims due to the stress of all this but please think carefully about your position and reconsider. And please, please if you feel really down, reach out to someone, your GP, the Samaritans…

I don't know anyone like that.

I do think online forums, by their very nature, skew towards those with mental or physical health issues.

In my real (fairly average and commonplace) life, I very rarely, if ever, come across anybody with the deluge of problems that seem to be common on MN.

My last review for PIP DWP said my missong bones would have have had long enough to grow back and so said I was able to walk, they did also "see me walking unaided" during my telephone assessment I haven't been able to walk unaided in over 30years and can only stand up if I have at minimum an under the armpit crutch

Daft of me to stop claiming? .... not at all. I've made a lot of people very happy by doing so and I'm now very relaxed about the whole thing when I've been worried sick for weeks

What has no conditions attached? If you claim disability benefits you need medical evidence.

I do know a few people like that. Makes me wonder why I get my arse out of bed early hours of the morning sometimes to work!

In my place of work They will be offered a meeting with occupational health to determine the reasonable adjustments that can be made. They won’t be sacked. They will be expected to engage with us to find a solution that will help them stay in work.

No, I'm curious who is giving them hate and baffled by the growing of missing bones comment