So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

This is me.

I did work part time for a long time on set days and that reduction was my employers reasonable adjustment.

I thought it would help. It's a routine. But it actually didn't help at all. It didn't stop the sensory overwhelm, the extreme emotional dysregulation that lead to suicide attempts, the fatigue, the being hunted for sport levels of stress when something cropped up and meetings had to be rescheduled or half way through the day I'd have something unscheduled thrown at me.

I tried telling my boss it's making me unwell, but I got the "everyone else gets on with it fine" line.

I couldn't cope when systems changed or when they brought in arbitrary new rules and processes because I have delayed processing.

No one would want to employ me because employing me would be a nightmare for both of us.

I get so stressed and exhausted that the bear I can do is force myself out of bed minutes before I'm due to log on, but I need time to acclimatise otherwise I will find every stimulus overwhelming, and everyone will get the short direct communication that is the most I can process and I will be called rude and unprofessional.

So which employer is going to let me be flexible with my days, start and end times as well as work part time and also take days off when I'm so overwhelmed that I head into a meltdown? None.

I can't cope in busy places, I can't cope where things change and I can't cope where there's the possibility of unscripted or spontaneous communication where I'm expected to be professional at all times.

They can take every penny I've got but it's not going to stop me being autistic.

National minimum wage. I also wonder what exactly is so horrifying about taking a min wage job especially since it will be around 12 pounds an hour by next month. The wage difference between that and many everyday pretty responsible jobs is now quite small. People need to stop being so entitled and thinking they deserve a particular job role especially if they dont have any experience, qualifications or training. And once once more, as we have to keep saying it, I dont mean people woth severe disabilities which would make work impossible.

people with disabilities should do any job they are able to, I absolutely do not think they should be forced in to a job they can’t to, but why should they choose to get benefits and not work just because they don’t fancy the job? Clearly the Labour Party agree with me. .

but actually I wasn’t specifically referring to people with disabilities, but people in general.

and you present as being deliberately obtuse.

I posted this on another thread about the welfare bill, until the general public are accepting and tolerant of services being delivered differently, maybe a bit slower, maybe without eye contact or small talk because they're being delivered by people with disabilities or conditions that affect things like cognition, social interaction, speed, speech etc then all this is a hiding to nothing. As someone with a condition that affects speech and processing, who's always worked, I have been regularly subject to negativity, ridicule, humiliation and abuse. People won't tolerate the difference in me, my employer can be forged by legislation to do so, the users of the services, the customers, patients, guests - they cannot.

"Unfortunately my experience is that people don't want to be inconvenienced by the issues that I have. They shouldn't have to wait the few moments extra it takes me to formulate a response to them, they shouldn't have to have my issues 'inflicted' on them when they're a paying customer, my stuttering is not acceptable when it inconveniences someone else because I'm being paid to do a job. The few moments more it takes for me to process something and act, is unacceptable because I'm being paid to do a job. The reality is that being paid to do a job doesn't eliminate those issues. I wish that it did, it would make my life so much easier too!
I have always done jobs that haven't put me in that situation, and now I can't, I have worked on the issues that cause the problems, but short of a brain and body transplant, I can't resolve them completely.
I need to be working and contributing - but not anywhere that I may cause someone else a moments inconvenience, which is what I've done most of my working life, unfortunately I'm no longer physically able to do those roles.
So I'm now back to being unacceptable. I don't know where to go with that, I genuinely don't, and that's without the emotional side of being shoved away somewhere else so I don't inconvenience anyone. I genuinely don't know how to navigate it, how to resolve being unacceptable to continue to contribute as I must, as I want to.
The Pret thing is a good idea, it needs to be wider spread and given more air time, but it's a drop in the ocean. If we want disabled people, people with mental illness and other conditions out there contributing, we have to accept them so they can.
Telling them to get off their arses and work, but then telling them they're not good enough to do that work is counter productive. That's the attitude that needs to change so this can work for everyone.

This from a woman who says totes hilare.....🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️😂😂😂

I can't even 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

@RaininSummer , entirely agree.

Food for thought here:

People with physical disabilities but no cognitive impairment could work office based admin, working from home, online tutoring or homework help, call centres

People with mental illness but no physical health issues could work physical jobs maintaining gardens, parks, nature and public spaces.

People with both are exempt.

Something needs to change because believe it or not working people have to suck it up as well carrying everyone.

YES THIS!!!!

In my case .... I wish!

“Why should they choose to get benefits and not work.”

Jesus. Just out of interest are you, or anyone you care for, disabled?

In principle, people who are able to work, should.

But if we move the thresholds of “able to work,” some of those who are forced into the workplace will not actually be work ready, or even work suitable. It will cause huge upheaval for employers, absolute crisis for many disabled people, and in a lot of cases will not be doable.

Errr no they definitely don’t.

But how do people qualify for PIP if theyre able to work?

I can barley function/leave the house and i scraped by with the minimum points on each section.

If i told them i was able to go to work i feel like I would have got zero points on everything??

Its that strict.

I'm so sorry you had to experience that. You obviously tried your very best to make it work. It's not your fault your not well.
The government seems to think they can just change the scoring system and that will magically cure all these debilitating illnesses. Either that or it's a genuine attempt at a mass cull. I have my suspicions.
It really isn't right at all what's being said.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 but like, hun, it is totes hilare 😂😂

Im so sorry that is so awful

great.

I'd be scenario 1. Who's finding me an employer with a wheelchair accessible building? How about flexibile working from home? Happy for me to go nap for an hour in the afternoon, because i can't sit in an office chair all day, but might manage to sit in my wheelchair. Then there are the days out for all my medical appointments, the days i'm in so much pain i can barely move so would have to call in sick, or work from my bed around naps.

"physical disability" is a massive umbrella.

Wow. You do realise that one day it’s possible you could find yourself in this person’s position? Totally patronising and disrespectful response.

Here’s some food for thought - mental and physical health are linked. It’s a bit weird to imply that many people will turn out to be eeyore-ish gardeners who brighten up with a bit of fresh air or jolly administrators who are able to sit and focus on a screen all day.

I know babes 😘😂😂😂

Jeez, will you please read ????

what bit of ‘if someone is able to do a job, why shouldn’t they do it?’ is me saying that someone should be forced to do a job that they can’t perform?

If someone has severe mobility problems, no they shouldn’t have to work stacking shelves, but they should have to accept a call centre job if offered (or Lose their benefits).

Of all those that are “carried” by working people, tax payers etc - we’re really focussing on the disabled?

I personally would happily continue to “suck it up” for the benefit of disabled people, and vulnerable people.

The amount of people actually able to work in this country, with absolutely no impairment, that don’t, is unbelievable. Fix that before we start sending disabled people down the mines.

You explain it all very clearly on here. I am sure it you can copy and paste those explanations into an e consult a doctor will be putting a referral through quite swiftly.

Can’t add quote but to the person saying mental health should be gardening - no thanks, I work in mental health with sectioned adults and I wouldn’t trust them with a tin opener, let alone garden shears. There’d be deaths en masse.

@WilmaFlintstone1 , I gather there is to be a right to try approach built into the process where people can try a job without fear of losing their benefits. I hope this can help your son.