So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

reforms?

Especially when other, more suited, jobs are scarce.

Ok, one more time.....

Here goes -

People do shit jobs for money. Yes, that's right.

They go and do a job they don't like.

In return they get money.

With this money they are able to do things like buy food to feed their children, pay their rent, bills etc...

Some of these jobs are indeed in supermarkets.

If this person didn't go to the supermarket everyday they would not get any money.

They would then not be able to buy food for their children, or clothes, or pay rent.

This is something that has been happening in this country for many years now.

On a serious note, you must be either very young or incredibly privileged if this needs explaining to you.

Yes I strongly agree with you. They were amazing employers. Just what disabled/deaf people needed. The government were wrong to force them to shut down, only to replace jobs with DLA instead. Working gave them self esteem, high morale and contributing to society. Bring Remploy back I say!

Well when they have their benefits withdrawn, they might well feel ‘forced’ to accept a job that doesn’t live up to their exacting expectations 😁

This is what gives the lie to all the "moral crusade" style language - previous governments have actively removed support for getting disabled people into work. I'd have been a hell of a lot more positive towards Labour's intentions if they'd started by establishing some kind of decent support system to allow disabled people to access flexible and supportive employment opportunities, not just taken away benefits and expected them to miraculously find work that they can cope with.

To those suggesting the Public Sector or Higher Education, are you unaware that those sectors are paying off in droves? Dundee University has just announced a cut of 20% of the workforce - over 600 people. As for "working in a Library", libraries are closing all over and those that are still open are largely self-scan.

Someone I know took a (fairly generous) redundancy package last year. They expected to spend a couple of months pottering then walk into another job as they'd never been out of work in almost 30 years. Over 6 months on they're starting to shit themselves as they've found it's not as easy to get a job when you're knocking 60 as in your 30s/40s. It's also a truism that it's easier to get work when you're already in work.

This person is is well-qualified with loads of experience in their field but they're now competing against lots of others in a similar position. They also don't have any disabilities that I'm aware of so how much more difficult will it be for someone with disabilities, few qualifications and little experience to find a job?

Checkout jobs don't really exist anymore. It's part of a supermarket job but no one sits on a checkout for a whole shift anymore. You have to move to do other jobs as and when needed (stocking shelves etc involving lifting when checkout are quiet, watching over the self service area).

I work in a job centre and its difficult for people with health conditions to find work (or stay in work). There needs to be a lot more incentives for employers to support people in work and be more flexible.

At the end of the day most employers exist to make money, if adjustments cost them too much they won't employ people who need them. This is where investment is needed by the Government.

Yes they'll freely choose a job. We agree.

@WeylandYutani , my understanding is that the level of support to get people back or indeed into the workplace is to be increased. There appears to be a right to try approach where people can give working a go without fear of losing their benefits. Employers are going to be encouraged to be more flexible.
Your life over the last ten years sounds dreadful to me. You may find these changes are the first step in getting your life back. I hope so, good luck!

Theyve said the waiting lists are long etc and id be better off doing an online CBT course as it 'just anxiety ' and depression.

Im not great at advocating for myself because of how I am .

It takes a lot for me to go and ask for help as i hate doctors and that type of setting.

You have to fight for anything more than basic mental health care and i just dont know how to do it i guess.

Totes hilare. I don't want to live in a society where the disabled are scapegoated and forced to do jobs they have no choice over. You evidently do and are having a chuckle about it.

@InvisibilityCloakActivated , I gather the government are intending on using a very significant amount of money to do just that.

I'm wondering this too.

Anyone saying supermarkets, I dont think so, cause they are cutting hours. I work in one and we've only just got enough hours for the current staff. There use to be overtime, now there is only over time in summer(we are busier in summer due to tourists). They upped some people's contracts here a few years ago and that it now. I can imagine other supermarkets are the same. Rise of minimum wage and N.I and self service machines etc mean there isn't the jobs there used to be.

Does anybody know what will happen if they can’t get a job

I am currently suffering from the wobbles. I’m walking like I’ve got CP. No idea where this has come from, or how long it’s going to last but I’m not steady on my feet at all. So I would have been absent from work…again

It's not that difficult to understand.

Scenario 1. Person needs work. Person finds vacancy. Person applies for vacancy. Person interviews. Person gets job.

Scenario 2. Person told to take job or lose benefits. Risks starvation, homelessness and making disability worse.

My suggestion is that if a person is capable of working, they're given support to find work they want to do/are capable of doing.

I understand that for some the workhouse is the ideal solution but they don't tend to have much intelligence.

Unless you're my GP, OT, rheumatologist or gastroenterologist, you don't need my private medical details. Why are you so interested in my toileting needs? Weirdo.

nmw is £22k a year for 35 hours a week from April, that’s not that bad a wage

Fcking hell. This is one of least empathetic and most ignorant posts I've ever read on here. @Ihad2Strokes has had TWO STROKES. You can't even begin to understand how absolutely exhausted she must be after taking 2 hours yo get ready for the day. You taking that long to sort your child as well as yourself isn't even remotely similar!! Not a single one of your personal experiences is compatible. I can't believe how vile your response is. Shame on you.

@TheFairyCaravan , I gather that adopting an approach of what you CAN do rather than focusing on what you can’t do is to be central to the process. Obviously there will be some poor souls who can’t really do anything.

Haven’t read the full thread. Just to say in case it hasn’t been said PIP IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT.
Apologies for the shouting. Being disabled is more expensive whether you are in work or not.

I didn't say it was. I'm talking about people being forced into work they can't do. People with disabilities tend to need more money than those who aren't. Many people with disabilities live in poverty.

I have M.E. I hope it never happens to you. When I got covid I could not walk for 6 months. I could not go in the car even as a passenger for one minute because I would get so dizzy and sick because my vestibular system couldn't cope with what was going on around me. I had to rest halfway up the stairs. When I overexert myself I get migraines so bad that I am sobbing in pain, cannot string a sentence together, and cannot look after myself. I can sleep 9h a night and still feel so exhausted that I cannot read words in front of me nor can I find the right words to express myself. Sometimes I will go catatonic and I cannot speak or move, because my body has shut down because my mitochondia do not work and cannot produce energy. My husband has to lift me up if I want to sit up. He has to help me out of the shower otherwise I slip and hurt myself.
M.E is a neurological illness that took me 10 years to get a diagnosis for. Nobody is making up they have it, because people just assume it's "being tired" but it isn't. It's all the symptoms of MS without the visible autoimmune damage.
Many more people have this illness now because of the after effects of covid. That, plus the fact that finally people are hearing about it instead of us being shut away from the world, is why you're hearing more about it now.