So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

Absolutely. If someone who has fought tooth and nail, battling the system, to have the bare minimum of support they need to get through their daily life ,whilst still continuing to face discrimination in shops, restaurants and other public places - if they can’t accept that they will now need to jump through some more hoops or risk having their lifesaving benefits cancelled overnight, then what is the world coming to?

That doesn't make sense. Pip is an in work benefit. You can already claim pip and work

Have you tried e consult? It’s limited to 100 characters and most surgeries will not take complex or mental health on it - it’s generally designed for the worried well and minor illnesses!!! Most GPs won’t touch it with a bargepole as it’s so shit!

I know someone who was offered a place on an employment scheme for young, talented, disabled students.

She ended up being bullied out of that job by a jealous manager (a woman who was older than she was). Every time she asked for an adjustment, it was met with, "Ugh, it's just too much to implement". She wasn't asking for anything that cost money. All she wanted was for her manager to check in with her at the end of the day over a Teams chat to see how she was doing.

The bullying got too much for her, and she ended up having a nervous breakdown at the age of 22. She got diagnosed with PTSD and hasn't been able to get another job whatsoever in 3 years. She can no longer leave her house or even open the blinds during the daytime because this experience caused her to become agoraphobic.

Unless you've lived the experience of being an obviously disabled person in the workplace, you have no right to comment on other disabled people's thoughts, feelings and attitudes towards work.

These 'schemes' do not work. They make people unwell. As long as employers don't actually care about disabled people, as long as there are loopholes in employment law and as long as it is acceptable to discriminate against disabled people, these 'schemes' will fail.

And now, the government wants to punish disabled people for their failures and the failures of employers.

Can we please stop talking about this like its a binary. Plenty of disabled people do work. Many of us work full time in demanding jobs.

I have pull on trousers I wear plus a jumper because I wouldn't manage shirt buttons and I certainly wouldn't manage ironing. DH does my hair for me. I spend evenings and weekends lying down recovering from work. I use my wheelchair if I need to go to the office.

It's really frustrating how few people seem to think "disabled" is a short hand for "not working"

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves , I gather that is part of the plan.

I know what you mean. But I guess someone like Stephen hawking worked, but he needed loads of Care to bathe, eat, get around, communicate etc. I know that's an extreme example and he was so loaded I'd hope he'd not have felt the need to claim.

Or someone with no limbs could work if they felt like they were capable, but again need loads of support/equipment etc.

So it certainly is possible. People can work with adaptations sometimes. Each person's abilities are unique.

I've just come across this thread which bears out what I said in my post at 19:44 re many sectors paying off hand-over-fist and even qualified, experienced people struggling to find work, even without adding disabilities to the mix.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5296671-anyone-else-worried-about-the-terrible-job-market.

That person’s mobility problems make them more likely to require sick leave, or work flexibility that may not be available, or appointment leave. Employers shouldn’t discriminate those things, but they absolutely do.

It may, as someone said earlier, mean it takes them 3hrs and all of their energy to even get to work for the times they’re able to attend.

In theory yeah, if you’re physically disabled you may well be able to answer a phone.

But the actual reality and practicality of that might mean that really, it’s not viable.

Taking benefits off someone who is wheelchair bound because you think they should be adding more value, is a horrendous way to behave. Scraping the barrel, and targeting the weak.

Should be used to being discriminated innit. Not resilient enough, should be able to cope with a bit of name calling and abuse. Their fault for not being tough enough. Why should taxpayers work harder because people are too soft to handle a bit of being put down?

(OBVIOUSLY SARCASTIC).

Exactly. If it was that simple, it would've been done years ago.

My son is still only a child and I don't know what his future holds but right now, he isn't even able to be cared for at school so he has a home tutor for 1 hour every weekday. Hopefully when his EHCP goes through, he'll be able to access school again.

He can't sit in his wheelchair all day and tires easily
He has weekly appointments
He has a monthly specialist appointment at a hospital in a different city
He can't transfer from his wheelchair by himself
He is incontinent
He can't dress himself
He can't wash himself

I work for a large multi national corporate company, and have a neurological disability and dyslexia. I've not faced any issues booking time for appointments or when leave is needed. I also work with colleagues who have among other conditions Cerebral Palsy, ASD, Bipolar, very low vision, depression, ADHD and these are just the conditions people are happy to talk about. Look at a charity called disability in, they grade employers as level 1/ level 2 etc for there inclusivity.

You also can take someone with you to an interview and also ask for the questions in advance.

I do think some kind of routine, and interaction with others would help certain MH conditions.

Severe mobility issues have a cause. It could be breathing, which means call centre work is impossible. It could be heart issues causing the mobility issues, call centre work rarely doesn't involve selling, it could be too stressful, or the person needs to sleep after intense talking. Mobility issues can mean pain and heavy painkillers, or needing to switch positions. This is the problem with non medical people having a say. My DP has just had a stoma fitted. Life has become really hard. Combined with a previous heart attack and stroke, there honestly isn't a job he could do. He was a taxi driver until he couldn't pass the medical.

My point was that not only is this person unlikely to be able to do the job, they would still need extra money from benefits because of the low wages if they were (by some miracle) given the job.

I don’t understand where the MN idea that there are vast numbers of well paid jobs available that people can just walk into at will - the world simply isn’t like that in reality.

Well then clearly that theoretical job that was offered to them isn’t suitable because they aren’t able to perform it?

there are loads of work from home jobs that would be suitable and my argument (again) is that IF a job is suitable for someone with a particular disability, they should have to accept it (or lose benefits).

I know that, but the idea that those who don’t work as a result of their disability should be forced to is just disgusting IMO.

You’re choosing to, and that’s absolutely fair enough. My stepson is disabled, I’d love him to have independence and be able to work in the future. I can absolutely see how that would benefit him.

But if he isn’t, or he can’t, the idea that some of those posting here would shoehorn him into unsuitable work so they can pay less tax, is vile.

@WeylandYutani I understand how you feel - my son suffers from a similar problem in respect of interviews. He had a lot of help from Access to Work and

Enable who provided job coaches. They helped him prepare for interviews, would attend interviews with him and prospective employers were advised in advance of his difficulties. When he did get a job (albeit only 4 hours a week but a permanent contact) job coaches worked with him until he was confident. He now does 12 hours a week normally, he probably can't cope with more, but he is in work and has so much more self confidence as a result. Maybe you could see if you could get help through them?
I hope all of this is not making you too depressed and that you have someone to talk to?

But no one is saying he should be shoe horned in to unsuitable work…..not a single poster is saying that.

What work from home jobs are they? I’ve been looking for a better paid WFH job for three years and haven’t found a single one.

Sorry to get back to the migrant topic again - migrants manage to find jobs with no English, they manage to pay for private accommodation, they manage to pay for the whole village back home and all that is on a less than a minimum wage job. Somehow they manage and we don't.

Council, energy companies loads.

check out indeed.

The system is really difficult. But many people in receipt of pip are in work. A family member of mine is an amputee and receives pip and works. Cutting his pip will not make it more likely that he will find work BECAUSE HE WORKS nor will it magically make his limbs grow back.

For those who can't work in any way shape or form their benefits will not be impacted.
For anyone who is working the system, and I have a family member who does this, bring it on, cannot happen too soon.
For those who fall somewhere in-between let's hope the system is descirning enough to filter those who can work and those who genuinely can't.
I say all of the above as someone who suffers from severe back pain (prescribed morphine) is a chronic insomniac and suffers from depression, however, I work full-time in a very pressurised role.

Sometimes you just have to push on through, it is not easy, but it is do able (in my view and experience).

Ah the old migrants come here taking our jobs but also migrants are workshy drains on the system chestnut.

I think, genuinely, if a disabled person who spends their whole life challenged by their situation, needs help to buy bread - we should just buy them bread.

I cannot (and won’t be able to) wrap my head around taking benefits off the vulnerable and disabled.

Making something already difficult, even harder, is just an alien idea to me and in all honesty - you could spend all night presenting me with ways you think it reasonable to take money off the disabled, and I will not agree with you.