So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

Bullshit. People make my dd anxious. Being in the world as a whole does. She is managing huge difficulties. When the anxiety ramps up she succumbs to dangerous coping strategies and if it’s too much she becomes suicidal and has made several attempts on her life .

I'm saying that job seekers allowance is often not enough so people naturally might feel 'forced' to claim disability benefit for e.g. MH (as many have described on this thread already, it's not that difficult to get medical evidence from GP as it's self reported) as they will get more benefits that way.

Once on these benefits, yes you will be reassessed but it's not that difficult to 'fake it' for MH and for your GP, e.g. but unlike job seekers allowance there are no conditions attached regarding having to look for work, as I understand it?

I own a micro company. Last year we had a girl off repeatedly with period pains, then she was signed off sick with anxiety as her parents were divorcing (she was 22).
this year we’ve just gone through disciplinary with a guy who was off fir 3 days in his second week as he had to support his girlfriend whose uncle died and then he was off due to exhaustion and subsequent stress due to long drive to the funeral , he revealed he had autism which gave him anxiety when driving (although he’d applied for a job which involves driving fir 6 hours a day), and then just didn’t bother coming back.

and we are micro employer. The booming industry has to be HR!!

Then why aren't people going to their union and taking them to court for breaking the law?

Just mums? Sorry for being facetious but DH who struggles with his mental health has tried for years to get just such hours. I work shifts so he can’t work PT in the evenings, overnight or at weekends, but he has found it impossible to get a PT day time job. Employers don’t understand why he wants such hours as it’s always mums who have these jobs.

My experience is that the higher socioeconomic class you are the more you are likely to have a role which can accommodate reasonable adjustments-you are likely to have the skills/education to do a no-manual role in an environment where you may mostly be sitting behind a desk, have a degree of control over your workload and be able to work flexibly for example.Again cutting benefits will not affect this section of society as much but the less well off. If you’re not qualified to do anything other than manual work, the opportunities for suitable employment and reasonable adjustments are so much smaller. The less well off get hit again.

There is no NHS union for patients and taking people to court is exhausting and expensive. Oh add on education too. I started the process with that and it was impossible to continue.

I wonder this. The HR departments will be overwhelmed with people hitting Bradford Score thresholds.

I’m guessing there will need to be more PIP assessors if there are to be more regular checks so maybe they could get jobs doing that 😆

that is a joke btw!

Did the woman have endometriosis? That can be debilitating and it takes on average 10 years to get a diagnosis. The bloke had autism and obviously couldn't do the job. Neither were on benefits for being sad.

I explained clearly that i experienced burnout then was sectioned . I have CPTSD and ASD. I developed other conditions which I was asked about and listed. It’s a combination of all but the ones that affect me most are autism, FND and CPTSD. I was giving an example about someone like me as the thread is about employers and I was trying to post within context ?

Everyone's experience will be different but I have climbed the career ladder, moved LA , been very supported and lots of accomodations made. Lots of my colleagues are disabled too.

There is a whole generation of us who went undiagnosed until later adulthood who have always worked. I'm one of them
I have ADHD and autism. I also have physical health issues that cause me pain every day. I'm also a single parent. It has honestly never occurred to me not to work or claim benefits.
I have struggled hugely at times, had a couple of breakdowns over the years and I am currently struggling to the point I am leaving my profession after 30 years.
What I did was think about what type of work would work for me now, went to my boss with a proposal to do all the business admin from home (current job is mainly clinical), and homeworking is unheard of in my industry. They went for it and I start very soon. This means I can focus without constant distractions and I can work flexibly meaning if I'm having a particularly bad day I can take some painkillers and go to bed for a couple of hours.
I know there is various levels of severity when it comes to disabilities, I have family and friends with children with what I would say is severe autism so I'm not saying everyone can help theirselves but I do believe many can and choose not to. I think there is a general lack of work ethic in the younger generations, I see it in my younger colleagues all the time.

When I was a teenager the big employers did YTS. Some money and training. If you didn't go, you received no money.
My university student daughter has been looking for a job for over a year. They go to people with ten years experience even at just over minimum wage. She paints so makes a bit of cash that way but it doesn't give the social element.

I even said twice I think how hashimotos doesn’t really cause me any inconvenience whatsoever except daily medication and blood tests 3 monthly. I gave full details
as was asked .

I wasn't talking about patients, I was talking about staff.

I was offered medication of some sort when I was newly bereaved and I just knew it would be a bad idea.
I'm certain that the horrific time I had would have settled into merely horrendous a lot later if I hadn't got back into routine.

It's hard getting up and working when you want to just hide in bed all day. Really hard but staying in is not the best thing for the majority of people and medication for things like grief I think are overused.

Another point is that Rachel has screwed the part time jobs market with her stupid reduction of the NIC threshold, so employers will be less willing to offer part time contracts, which would have been ideal for long term unemployed/sick to ease themselves into the workplace for just a few hours per day as the reduction in threshold and hike in NIC rate makes it a lot more expensive for employers. Nice one Rachel! Complete lack of joined up thinking between government depts (as usual!).

I was already worried about the prospects of my teen DD but now so more than ever. She is autistic, diagnosed with social anxiety and selective mutism. She has never been able to speak to people she doesn't know and barely manages to exchange a word with people she has known for years. She attends school on a very reduced timetable but is academically capable so should get some GCSEs.

I can't think who would ever employ her. We have had some involvement from the post-16 team at the Local Authority but they often keep repeating "Employment doesn't have to look like 9-5, 37 hours a week." I just think, who's going to pay the bills then? I've spent thousands on therapy to try to help her and never claimed a penny in benefits but I do worry that she will never be able to support herself and I don't know if she'll have any access to financial support. She would be willing to work but her mental health issues are currently so debilitating I don't know what sort of job she could hold down or who would be willing to employ someone who doesn't speak.

Librarians have to have a degree and specific professional qualifications.

Library assistants are spectacularly low paid and have to deal with members of the public all day - it’s a stressful, physical job which needs high levels of customer service experience and resilience. In addition to all this libraries are laying off staff because of local government cuts, they are definitely not recruiting disabled people to fill vacancies!

Well I am the same however my dd isn’t. Her autism presents very differently.

Agreed - NHS and many charities also have flexible working.

The cutting of benefits has to be looked at alongside training, upskilling, building of confidence and ensuring employers make reasonable adjustments where appropriate. We all know that work is generally good for mental and physical health but it has to be the right type of work.

Not everybody is suited to work in the NHS.