So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

not rtt but i know two people with autism who receive dla, or whatever its called and i cant imagine them working anywhere except their voluntary positions

I do believe I addressed that in my post.

perhaps the charities can be persuaded to pay them,?

They are going to have to tighten up hugely on disability law within education, the NHS and the world of work. They need to make it easier for firms, NHS staff and schools/ colleges to be held to account.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I was talking about the Equality Act and making reasonable adjustments.

You're talking about NHS patients and people not being suitable to work in the NHS.

We seem to be talking about entirely different things.

Yes, of course for private employers you are a huge “risk” - this is because most private sector jobs are far too “big”, employers don’t plan any spare capacity in the workforce so they can keep headcount and costs low, etc. Why would anyone want to hire someone who might be a higher risk of being unreliable? In my last job, a team leader was on sick leave with depression for 8 months, on paid OSP. We had no budget to hire cover staff so we just had to cope with the massive mess the team leader left behind, it was truly awful and I ultimately left my own job because I couldn’t handle being expected to take on the other team leader’s work alongside my own - it wasn’t even a question of wanting to be paid more, I just didn’t want to be stuck doing 80+ weeks and being shouted at for being behind on the work!

Speaking personally: I will always aim to hire someone who appears to have a high chance of turning up to work every day and working at full capacity.

I know it’s not a kind answer, but until I find an employer who lets me have a very high headcount of part time workers on low pay, that’s how it will be I’m afraid.

He applied for a job driving when he knows it gives him stress.

calling in sick to support his girlfriend with a dead uncle? Signed off due to a divorce? Really?

she said period pains so I take it as period pains.

its so worrying that this generation is our future.

how can you even attempt to justify it?

@TheFairyCaravan have you looked at parish council work? I used to do it from home in my children’s naps and in the evening. Just had to attend 10 meetings per year but I knew the dates a year in advance. Pays pretty well too, £19 an hour when I was unqualified with an immediate pay rise when you qualified, funded by the council.

Whereas when I was grieving I could not bear contact with anyone outside of a tiny safe trusted circle, there was absolutely no fucking way I could have coped with my own job or any other. I was so fortunate that I didn’t have to.

The government will pay employers to give placements to disabled people. So the disabled person gets 'training and experience' and the employer benefits from the financial incentive. Which is excellent in theory. In practise if it goes the same way as every other 'innovative' employability scheme, it will be poorly executed and even more poorly monitored. Disabled people, on pain of losing their benefits, will be bounced along a line of participating employers, spending 6 months each time being patronised and 'trained' to use the photocopier. At the end of which they will be swapped out by the employer for another disabled person. A process which will likely cost the tax payer more than leaving disabled people alone and continuing to pay their benefits.

Some of the comments here are (predictably) vile. I'll happily work if the DWP can find me a job that I can do. I'm a qualified teacher with a Master's.

I'm also completely housebound and confined to bed. I have a wheelchair but can only sit in it for ten minutes at a time as my spine goes into spasm and I end up in hospital. I can't wash, dress, feed myself etc and DH works full time so can't help me when he's not here. I have bowel incontinence and spend up to 10 hours a day in the bathroom. A lot of the time, the medication I take renders me useless. I am either screaming in pain, or out of it on painkillers and a cocktail of other drugs. I have diagnosed PTSD, so much of my time is spent dealing with flashbacks, hallucinations, panic attacks that manifest in very physical symptoms etc.

What job could I do?

As they should. If they can work and the only job they can get is minimum wage then so be it. If you have no qualifications or experience you can only really expect minimum wage, surely?

Totally agree. I actually "clung on" to work when I Suffered with a bad bout of depression and anxiety, it was what was keeping me sane at that time. I loved the structure and knowing what was expected of me. It allowed me to compartmentalize and forget myself for a few hours. When I went to the drs, I nearly jumped out of the seat when he said "would you like a sick certificate?" I said "No!!!!!! I wouldn't!!"

Right? and that's you. Do you understand that people are different and handle things differently?

But all of those are also cutting back

I'm not trying to justify it as I don't know the people involved. I'm giving an alternative point of view to a knee jerk reaction.

I sat on a panel and we offered a job to someone on a flexible basis. They managed 5 weeks before they went off sick due to the job being too much for them due to their disability. She would manage a day and go off again. The organisation were too afraid to say the job wasn’t right for them so she went off sick for another 7 months. Just because it’s a large organisation doesn’t mean they can throw money out the window to cover someone who’s long term sick.

Being in work made me more ill. I tried to push through it and was suspended as a result.

Are you joking?

I can't think of a less flexible, less disability friendly workplace than a school.

Except perhaps a care home.

You’re even funnier with your head in the cloud views on employability and employment law.

I am so sorry you are going through all this.
When posters are querying why someone can’t work I don’t think they mean someone with your health issues.
Your challenges don’t enable you to ‘push through’ whereas some of the earlier posters can clearly at least try and work.

I don't agree with forcing people with disabilities into jobs they don't want to do.

Nobody is going to employ them. Because employers need rid of employees due to the NI increases and other rising costs. They certainly don’t want any new employees.

It’s bloody hard to get any kind of job for any kind of work (or even work experience), disability or not. In the event that an employer is looking for someone, they’ll receive 500+ applications. They can’t even process that many.

We already have almost a million young people 16-24 NEET. This is generally a societal failure. Both my dc are in this age group (although not themselves NEET). Several of their friends are NEET. And not through lack of trying or laziness. Opportunities are seriously limited.

RR is hurting the economy, but expecting more employers to give more jobs out. Not happening.

Ive not read the comments but I don't think you're who it applies to to be completely honest.