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So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

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Jimisnotmyname · 18/03/2025 16:14

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

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Mielikki · 18/03/2025 18:29

MajorCarolDanvers · 18/03/2025 18:27

There are lots of sectors struggling to fill vacancies

Most employers would rather leave a position vacant than employ a disabled person.

TheWorminLabyrinth · 18/03/2025 18:29

Ihad2Strokes · 18/03/2025 18:05

So it's okay for her to continually post the bile she's posting to those of us that have been made disabled overnight (as as obvious from my username from a Stroke well two Strokes actually) but it's not okay for me to say I wouldn't be upset if she suffered the same and had to go through the abuse she dishing out

ok

Awful, isn't it. Thread after thread, running into multiple pages, with some of the most disgusting abuse possible and yet people find your comment the one that they need to police.

Kneice · 18/03/2025 18:29

Maitri108 · 18/03/2025 16:18

This has been discussed a lot. I think money has been put aside for work schemes, especially for young people.

Employers will need to make reasonable adjustments which for some will involve a lot of flexibility. Hopefully we'll see more flexible working being introduced. Working from home is a lot more common now.

I'm wondering if people will be forced into any employment such as NMW work.

I work in a NMW job in a college. It’s not something to be ashamed of. Somebody has to do these jobs. And we’re getting a pay rise again in April. When I worked for local government I didn't get a pay rise for 5 years (had to take a pay cut to keep my job).

Not everyone can get a highly paid job, But you saying people will be ‘forced’ into NMW jobs is not helping those who can work.

Unfortunately a lot of people expect to drop into a job earning big money, even if they haven’t worked for a number of years, and that’s just not realistic for everyone.

Theunamedcat · 18/03/2025 18:30

People with cancer are denied pip some die then the tribunal finds they should have had pip and give the backpay to the families perfect instead of using it to make life easier they can use it to fucking bury them

User32459 · 18/03/2025 18:30

If we stopped importing so many migrants there'd be more jobs available for British people.

I know many of these are key workers but many aren't.

DimplesToadfoot · 18/03/2025 18:31

Instinct1 · 18/03/2025 18:23

No. I'm questioning why you think committing a crime so you become imprisoned and get - as you said - bed and board in prison - is somehow alleviating the burden people are, you say, saying you are to the State? Why should people be glad you're off benefits when they're paying for prison instead?

Well don't worry your little socks anymore about costing the prison service, with a little bit of luck and more people just like you the prison service won't be needed :-)

ZigZagJigsaw · 18/03/2025 18:31

Maitri108 · 18/03/2025 18:00

It's really not that complex. The EA states that reasonable adjustments are a legal duty. The law ensures that disabled people are not at a disadvantage when carrying out their job.

Ok you are 100% right. There is no nuance at all. Have you considered a career in Employment Law?

GwanwynArYFfordd · 18/03/2025 18:31

I imagine the shit state of the NHS is contributing to this.

Need a knee op? Wait 5 years. Claim PIP in the meantime as can't function. By the time you get the op, you're almost at retirement age. No one wants to employ a 60 year old who has been out of the work force for 5 years.

Then there's the woeful mental health care, medication not talking therapy. Therefore all the side effects of the medication. Impact on confidence etc, too difficult to get back into work.

If people can't get timely health care, they can't be part of the workforce.

Young people being told that their anxiety and normal growing up is a mental illness. Not being encouraged to face their problems, so they are not able to work. Thinking that when they are anxious, they shouldn't have to do normal every day activities. It's not helpful for them, or society.

piccalili · 18/03/2025 18:32

mids2019 · 18/03/2025 16:56

This is where things fall apart

Employers aren't charities and employing people with disabilities unfortunately soon leads to performance reviews as the disabled person cannot meet objectives which the company puts forward to make the employee worth the investment

There needs to performance standards for any employee and if those aren't met then employers as a matter of course have to manage performance.

We are just going to have a cycle of disabled people entering unsuitable jobs only to be managed out in a few weeks/months only for the cycle to start again. Also employers are going to be concerned about safety liability of any neural disability.

Do we want people with ADHD operating heavy machinery which needs focus? Are we going to put the autistic in public facing roles such as retail just to face a barrage of complaints from customers about communication difficulties? Are we going to accept the inevitable bullying of employees and the associated damage to the employee and tribunal costs?

Hard reality is there are going to be a lot of poor disabled people. There aren't these fantastical inclusive jobs that are floating around which readily accept disability.

Your sweeping comment about putting ‘the autistic’ in public facing roles is pretty offensive.
Why shouldn’t an autistic person work in a public facing role or in retail if they wished to?
Yes autistic people may have some differences in their communication. But being autistic doesn’t mean you’re not sociable / empathetic / intelligent. Everyone’s different. It is a spectrum after all.

Bluebanner · 18/03/2025 18:32

PaintDecisions · 18/03/2025 16:19

Yup.

My mate is bipolar and on lithium. You're lucky to see him outside his flat once a month. Who could employ him? He's unable to do anything consistently - struggles with sleep, struggles with staying awake, terrified of his own shadow, can't speak on the phone to someone he doesn't know (I'm his appointee with the council, DWP and police for example).

If you met him on a good day you'd think there was nothing wrong with him - he's intelligent, funny, tries to help people where he can, but even I have never seen him on a bad day (the voices) as he obviously doesn't leave his flat on a bad day and won't speak to us or anyone else when he's battling his brain.

He's a young man, very unfit through lack of exercise but generally good health otherwise, and would be a prime target for this. I'm hoping he's going to be OK through this process!!

This is not the kind of person who will be effected by these changes

Nadiaelgato · 18/03/2025 18:33

I think the lived experiences of disabled people and the realities of the Equality Act need to be given huge weighting. It's all very well shouting "go to work" but the onus is on businesses to support disabled people and provide genuine reasonable adjustments. And realistically very few do because - honestly - it's easier not to. So that'll create a poverty trap as it'll create an illusion people are not looking for work, when actually it's not the case. You can't make yourself well if you're not.

Arcticrival · 18/03/2025 18:33

I don't think it's a bad thing. Of course there are many many genuine cases but there are also many many cases of people who have fudged the system as they get more money on disabled benefits thatn they would working.

Ime, some people will do anything they can to work and some people will do anything they can to not work.

Maitri108 · 18/03/2025 18:33

PatchouliOilandRoses · 18/03/2025 18:12

Medical evidence of a faux disability is ridiculously easy to aquire, a few trips to the doctors saying you feel lethargic, down, unable to sleep properly and bingo! You are diagnosed with depression. All of the symptoms are freely available on Google. Same for anxiety.
In fact it is harder proving someone doesn't have depression/anxiety than it is to get diagnosed.

You need medical evidence eg medication, Dr letter and therapy. You'll be put in a group where you're sanctioned if you don't find work and you're regularly assessed. It's a lot of work for £90 a week.

kateluvscats · 18/03/2025 18:34

Mightymoog · 18/03/2025 16:45

???
hy such an unpleasant reply?
Many mental health issues are dealt with more more effectively by being in a routine/ working.
I know myself that when I was grieving i would have slid into a much darker place if I hadn't forced myself to work

The antidote to anxiety is action. Sitting at home with no routine away from people makes depression and anxiety worse.

KindleAndCake · 18/03/2025 18:34

PaintDecisions · 18/03/2025 16:21

OK, and when someone can't come in because of pain / insomnia / personal care needs, how long until they are sacked?

This exactly.

NapT1me · 18/03/2025 18:34

Maitri108 · 18/03/2025 18:00

It's really not that complex. The EA states that reasonable adjustments are a legal duty. The law ensures that disabled people are not at a disadvantage when carrying out their job.

It doesn’t happen in the NHS and it doesn’t happen in the world of work. This is well known. I wonder if things will need to be tightened up.

ZigZagJigsaw · 18/03/2025 18:35

MajorCarolDanvers · 18/03/2025 18:27

There are lots of sectors struggling to fill vacancies

Just not admin/clerical, retail and hospitality. Job vacancies in those areas have fallen off a cliff in the last 6 months.

The sectors struggling to fill jobs are qualified / professional / chartered and mostly STEM.

Maitri108 · 18/03/2025 18:35

Kneice · 18/03/2025 18:29

I work in a NMW job in a college. It’s not something to be ashamed of. Somebody has to do these jobs. And we’re getting a pay rise again in April. When I worked for local government I didn't get a pay rise for 5 years (had to take a pay cut to keep my job).

Not everyone can get a highly paid job, But you saying people will be ‘forced’ into NMW jobs is not helping those who can work.

Unfortunately a lot of people expect to drop into a job earning big money, even if they haven’t worked for a number of years, and that’s just not realistic for everyone.

I didn't say that NMW work was anything to be ashamed of. I was saying that people will be forced into it or lose their benefits.

Nadiaelgato · 18/03/2025 18:35

Arcticrival · 18/03/2025 18:33

I don't think it's a bad thing. Of course there are many many genuine cases but there are also many many cases of people who have fudged the system as they get more money on disabled benefits thatn they would working.

Ime, some people will do anything they can to work and some people will do anything they can to not work.

It's a bad thing if you are ill.

Andwhoisasking · 18/03/2025 18:35

Well who is going to employ anyone when the NI, minimum wage, etc have caused huge redundancies and hiring freezes in the private sector? Which, incidentally, is responsible for wiping out all the fiscal headroom. Scare the investors off, get higher rate tax payers to change behaviour and kill growth stone dead - less for everyone. Who knew?

This is just the consequences of the budget filtering through to the state via jobs and welfare. Labour and those who voted for them through some misguided attack in those who have ‘more’ need to own it.

Arcticrival · 18/03/2025 18:36

tfresh · 18/03/2025 16:26

For those with mental health issues, the routine of employment might help them. Its better we take these steps now rather than when we're forced to by the IMF.

The country can no longer afford (nor could it ever really) to be pay people with such a wide range of illnesses, either top up benefits or to not work at all.

I don't think any country on earth can.

Totally agree. I've suffered with anxiety and depression all my life. But I know work helps me. The routine, the structure, the reason to get out of bed has always helped. Don't get me wrong of course there are days when it's juts too much-then I call in sick or take a holiday.

The benefits system is too easy for some people to choose not to work.

Lucelady · 18/03/2025 18:36

TheFairyCaravan · 18/03/2025 16:37

Care homes? I can’t walk unaided, in fact my elderly parents are more mobile than me, how would that work in a care home? I worked in education until I couldn’t drag myself in any longer. Not only that I’m not sure there’s many parents who’d be happy for their children to be looked after by someone who is on crutches and is likely to fall on their face at any time. I could take my wheelchair but most schools & nurseries aren’t accessible.

That's disgusting. I'm fully disabled. I work on contract mainly fh. I am thinking of getting an electric wheelchair because I haven't got any better. I want to see the response vis a vis my sticks.

Maitri108 · 18/03/2025 18:36

ZigZagJigsaw · 18/03/2025 18:31

Ok you are 100% right. There is no nuance at all. Have you considered a career in Employment Law?

You're funny.

evenbaddiesgetsaddies · 18/03/2025 18:36

kateluvscats · 18/03/2025 18:34

The antidote to anxiety is action. Sitting at home with no routine away from people makes depression and anxiety worse.

Depends on the anxiety to be honest. I used to compulsively bite my arm when I was panicked. Also blacked out a few times. And once projectile vomited all the way down a train platform (before being carted off in an ambulance).

That was severe CPTSD - now very well managed after a lot of help from CMHT (weekly therapy for 8 months), I still have depression and some residual anxiety but anxiety isn’t always cured simply by going out of the house.

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