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Landlord won't sell. Another second home in our dying village

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AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 00:08

DH, DS and I have rented our current home for 6 years. We moved here, back to where he grew up, and weren't in a position to buy. We've saved hard and now we are.

We love this house. It's small, and in many ways impractical, but we adore the bones of it. It's seen us through some really rough times and been our sanctuary. We've cared for it, at our own expenses, and done loads of work to make the garden something special. Our landlord has said themselves "It's much nicer now than it was when I lived here!".

We love where it is, which is quite a unique rural setting with amazing landscapes and near the sea. We've made friends in the village, my son goes to the local primary and I'm a governor thereWeHouses aren't for sale here often. We know the local walks inside out, which wild flowers grow in which hedgerows, which birds come back to nest in which trees. It just feels like our forever home. Which of course it isn't, because we rent it.

Our landlord left the house herself to marry a farmer who lives an hour away. She won't move back. Since we've lived here the law on EPC ratings has changed so she can't legally let it out again. There is a 300% council tax penalty on second homes, because they're such a problem here (massive housing crisis, no houses for young families to buy, so local schools and shops closing all over the place). We thought, for those reasons, they'd be interested in selling to a sitting tenant.

We asked them recently. They came round this weekend, in person, to tell us No. They won't sell it. They know they can't rent it, and that they'll have to pay the second home tax. They're not sure what they want to do with it, but they don't want to sell and that's that.

I know, of course, that they're under no obligation to sell their house. They don't owe us anything. But I'm finding it really hard to accept that we have to leave, or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it. And I'm finding it doubly galling that, having paid them over 50k in rent and added value to their house by taking such good care of it (more fool us), they're going to leave it empty, let the garden go to ruin, just to keep it as an asset on their balance sheet.

I genuinely think I'd feel better if I knew another family or person was going to live here and love it. Instead the village will have another empty / second home. I can't imaging ever finding somewhere like it (it's very secluded, stone built, old, and just feels "right"), which means anything we do buy is going to be a reluctant compromise.

I know I probably sound a bit wet and daft. I can't make them sell. It's made me feel surprisingly, profoundly sad, and I just don't know how to move past that feeling.

OP posts:
0ohLarLar · 19/03/2025 19:28

If you actually take the plunge & give notice it will probably be on the market within months.

Dogsbreath7 · 19/03/2025 19:29

tommyhoundmum · 19/03/2025 18:38

Unkind and dismissive. I don't think she needs that.

Then don’t post. It isn’t unkind to reply with the facts. She must have known when she moved to the village what the situation was. Everyone has choices and some might say a landlord which has allowed her to stay for 6 years when rents have been rising has been a good one.

HellDorado · 19/03/2025 19:38

And remember buying with a mortgage is also glorified renting until it’s paid off.

It’s nothing like it.

MyNameIsX · 19/03/2025 19:40

StartEngine · 19/03/2025 19:21

The reality that people here lack empathy and enjoy putting the boot in? Probably 😊

I think more plausibly it’s because they realise the inanity of their post.

Boysgrownbutstillathome · 19/03/2025 20:03

If you love it so much, why not just stay there? They might be more open to selling to you in the future.

StartEngine · 19/03/2025 20:10

MyNameIsX · 19/03/2025 19:40

I think more plausibly it’s because they realise the inanity of their post.

There’s another one! Sure she’d love to come back for it.

LlynTegid · 19/03/2025 20:34

What would happen if you just refuse to leave? Perhaps seek legal advice on your options.

I wonder how much it would cost to bring the property up to a reasonable energy standard.

I wish it was a total ban on second homes in some parts of the UK. Better than extra council tax.

Whaleandsnail6 · 19/03/2025 21:00

LlynTegid · 19/03/2025 20:34

What would happen if you just refuse to leave? Perhaps seek legal advice on your options.

I wonder how much it would cost to bring the property up to a reasonable energy standard.

I wish it was a total ban on second homes in some parts of the UK. Better than extra council tax.

The landlord hasn't asked op to leave. Op wants to buy a house now they have the money to. Op not leaving would probably suit the landlord as they could continue renting to them.

They asked to buy this house but it is not for sale.

asrl78 · 19/03/2025 21:03

HellDorado · 19/03/2025 19:38

And remember buying with a mortgage is also glorified renting until it’s paid off.

It’s nothing like it.

Exactly. When you rent, you are paying someone elses mortgage plus extra for their profit and maintenance whilst having less rights than if you were a homeowner.

SparklyLeader · 19/03/2025 21:08

Does your area have a right of first refusal to purchase for current or immediately past tenants? If not, you may want to work with your legislators to get one.

Your post states 50,000 over 6 years. I'm in the states, so this I assume this is in pounds. Today, the British pound is $1.30 US. You pay about $700 per month for a home with a yard. I am in California, that is an amazingly low rent. Check out how much a mortgage might be for a house around the same value with a yard, etc. to see what your monthly nut would be.

I understand what you are missing is the equity. Perhaps save up your money to buy a house or a unit that you can rent out. Then if they do come around to wanting to sell it, you can become a contingent buyer (contingent on the sale of your other property).

Mrsgreen100 · 19/03/2025 21:08

Landlord here mining income is from rental it’s been bloody hard work over the years. I’m nearly pension age and still doing Garden ‘s painting maintenance et cetera, my proper is are my pension.
if I was to sell any of them which I would dearly love to do anything I make will be eaten up in tax, which won’t give me enough to pay off the mortgage and still live
I suspect they will upgrade it and up the rent .
with the crappy new government rules around farming, they probably thinking long term tbh
I so wish the government would think longer term about their plans re farming families

Mrsgreen100 · 19/03/2025 21:09

Mrsgreen100 · 19/03/2025 21:08

Landlord here mining income is from rental it’s been bloody hard work over the years. I’m nearly pension age and still doing Garden ‘s painting maintenance et cetera, my proper is are my pension.
if I was to sell any of them which I would dearly love to do anything I make will be eaten up in tax, which won’t give me enough to pay off the mortgage and still live
I suspect they will upgrade it and up the rent .
with the crappy new government rules around farming, they probably thinking long term tbh
I so wish the government would think longer term about their plans re farming families

Apologies for rubbish spelling I use voice text

C36M · 19/03/2025 21:11

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 00:08

DH, DS and I have rented our current home for 6 years. We moved here, back to where he grew up, and weren't in a position to buy. We've saved hard and now we are.

We love this house. It's small, and in many ways impractical, but we adore the bones of it. It's seen us through some really rough times and been our sanctuary. We've cared for it, at our own expenses, and done loads of work to make the garden something special. Our landlord has said themselves "It's much nicer now than it was when I lived here!".

We love where it is, which is quite a unique rural setting with amazing landscapes and near the sea. We've made friends in the village, my son goes to the local primary and I'm a governor thereWeHouses aren't for sale here often. We know the local walks inside out, which wild flowers grow in which hedgerows, which birds come back to nest in which trees. It just feels like our forever home. Which of course it isn't, because we rent it.

Our landlord left the house herself to marry a farmer who lives an hour away. She won't move back. Since we've lived here the law on EPC ratings has changed so she can't legally let it out again. There is a 300% council tax penalty on second homes, because they're such a problem here (massive housing crisis, no houses for young families to buy, so local schools and shops closing all over the place). We thought, for those reasons, they'd be interested in selling to a sitting tenant.

We asked them recently. They came round this weekend, in person, to tell us No. They won't sell it. They know they can't rent it, and that they'll have to pay the second home tax. They're not sure what they want to do with it, but they don't want to sell and that's that.

I know, of course, that they're under no obligation to sell their house. They don't owe us anything. But I'm finding it really hard to accept that we have to leave, or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it. And I'm finding it doubly galling that, having paid them over 50k in rent and added value to their house by taking such good care of it (more fool us), they're going to leave it empty, let the garden go to ruin, just to keep it as an asset on their balance sheet.

I genuinely think I'd feel better if I knew another family or person was going to live here and love it. Instead the village will have another empty / second home. I can't imaging ever finding somewhere like it (it's very secluded, stone built, old, and just feels "right"), which means anything we do buy is going to be a reluctant compromise.

I know I probably sound a bit wet and daft. I can't make them sell. It's made me feel surprisingly, profoundly sad, and I just don't know how to move past that feeling.

Buying isn’t all it’s cracked up to be anyway. It’s stressful and very expensive and you have to do all repairs etc. Then when you’re old they sell your house to pay for your tax, or charge a load of inheritance tax when you die. Personally I’d just keep renting if it’s a home you love

Herstmonceux · 19/03/2025 21:32

asrl78 · 19/03/2025 21:03

Exactly. When you rent, you are paying someone elses mortgage plus extra for their profit and maintenance whilst having less rights than if you were a homeowner.

Maybe do the maths on that again. It might have been true when interest rates were 0.25% but it certainly isn't now.

Bernardo1 · 19/03/2025 21:46

Think I'm missing something here, havent read every comment.
Can you not continue renting if you like it?

Maybe she'll change her mind on selling.

C36M · 20/03/2025 06:09

C36M · 19/03/2025 21:11

Buying isn’t all it’s cracked up to be anyway. It’s stressful and very expensive and you have to do all repairs etc. Then when you’re old they sell your house to pay for your tax, or charge a load of inheritance tax when you die. Personally I’d just keep renting if it’s a home you love

Sorry I meant they sell your house to pay for your care

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 20/03/2025 07:22

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MyNameIsX · 20/03/2025 07:55

When will people understand.

The asset belongs to those who have title - what they choose to do with it - sell, rent, keep void - is up to them. With title, comes risk. Those who rent, do not have the risk of owning the asset, which is why many choose to rent in the first place.

Simples.

HerOopNorth · 20/03/2025 08:01

Bernardo1 · 19/03/2025 21:46

Think I'm missing something here, havent read every comment.
Can you not continue renting if you like it?

Maybe she'll change her mind on selling.

Yes of course they can but want to buy.
Long term it's better to be a home owner than a tenant.

HerOopNorth · 20/03/2025 08:02

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Can you edit this?
I think you're quoting some comments from other posters and your reply, but it's not clear.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 20/03/2025 09:12

HerOopNorth · 20/03/2025 08:02

Can you edit this?
I think you're quoting some comments from other posters and your reply, but it's not clear.

Sorry, had highlighted, not sure what happened. Trying again:

At least they were honest with you.

We moved out of a rental only to find out months later that it wasn't the daughter moving in after all, but they'd decided to sell to someone else.

It did sting, but were now in a much better place.

Accepting things you can not change is key.

On Location Location Location, they advise on not renting a house you can't afford to buy for exactly these reasons.

or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it.
That's your choice, you can buy elsewhere.

just to keep it as an asset on their balance sheet.
Could be keeping it for relatives and want to keep it in the family.

She won't move back.
You don't know this, life throws curveballs at us when we least expect.

let the garden go to ruin
Again, speculation.

angela1952 · 21/03/2025 08:38

I’m a landlord, just one very small property which is managed for us by decent agents. We’ll be selling when our current elderly tenant leaves. It’s no longer economic to rent in many cases, though as we have no mortgage it’s not too bad for us. Our rent has only gone up once since 2012.
I know that the sales market is flooded with properties in second home areas at present so it would be difficult to get a good price. Even in our own residential area there are landlords who intend to sell when the market picks up. There are a lot of costs to having a second home unoccupied and I’m surprised that @AppelationStation‘s landlord isn’t interested in a quick sale - I wonder if there is some back story here?

Somersetmumma28 · 22/03/2025 17:53

They will be able to let it. They either get to an E rating by spending some money. If it can’t get to an E then they apply for an exemption by proving they’ve spent the money to get it as high as they can.

Catdaddy1978 · 22/03/2025 18:34

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 00:08

DH, DS and I have rented our current home for 6 years. We moved here, back to where he grew up, and weren't in a position to buy. We've saved hard and now we are.

We love this house. It's small, and in many ways impractical, but we adore the bones of it. It's seen us through some really rough times and been our sanctuary. We've cared for it, at our own expenses, and done loads of work to make the garden something special. Our landlord has said themselves "It's much nicer now than it was when I lived here!".

We love where it is, which is quite a unique rural setting with amazing landscapes and near the sea. We've made friends in the village, my son goes to the local primary and I'm a governor thereWeHouses aren't for sale here often. We know the local walks inside out, which wild flowers grow in which hedgerows, which birds come back to nest in which trees. It just feels like our forever home. Which of course it isn't, because we rent it.

Our landlord left the house herself to marry a farmer who lives an hour away. She won't move back. Since we've lived here the law on EPC ratings has changed so she can't legally let it out again. There is a 300% council tax penalty on second homes, because they're such a problem here (massive housing crisis, no houses for young families to buy, so local schools and shops closing all over the place). We thought, for those reasons, they'd be interested in selling to a sitting tenant.

We asked them recently. They came round this weekend, in person, to tell us No. They won't sell it. They know they can't rent it, and that they'll have to pay the second home tax. They're not sure what they want to do with it, but they don't want to sell and that's that.

I know, of course, that they're under no obligation to sell their house. They don't owe us anything. But I'm finding it really hard to accept that we have to leave, or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it. And I'm finding it doubly galling that, having paid them over 50k in rent and added value to their house by taking such good care of it (more fool us), they're going to leave it empty, let the garden go to ruin, just to keep it as an asset on their balance sheet.

I genuinely think I'd feel better if I knew another family or person was going to live here and love it. Instead the village will have another empty / second home. I can't imaging ever finding somewhere like it (it's very secluded, stone built, old, and just feels "right"), which means anything we do buy is going to be a reluctant compromise.

I know I probably sound a bit wet and daft. I can't make them sell. It's made me feel surprisingly, profoundly sad, and I just don't know how to move past that feeling.

I can empathise with you: putting so much of yourself into a house only for you not to own it is very galling. My suggestion is to start looking for a place of your own, why not put feelers out amongst the neighbours to see if anyone is planning on selling? Alternatively, there will be other, nearby places with property available for sale. Meanwhile, say your goodbyes to it. Paint the walls white, take down any pictures etc and depersonalise it so you feel less attached to it. Good luck with the search.

TonTonMacoute · 22/03/2025 18:38

As someone who has been a landlord in a similar situation I think YABU.

LL may well have a sentimental attachment to the place. She and her DH may well feel it's worth the cost to hang on to it for their own DCs to move to when they grow up. Although these extra costs are being heaped on LLs atm, they may not be forever - I strongly suspect they won't help solve the rural housing problem in the way the current government believes, and the EPC situation seems to be completely farcical.

We kept on a tiny flat in London for over 20 years after we moved away. It provided a home for many tenants during that time, but frankly it was a costly pain in the backside. Now DS is living there and it was worth it.

Im not at all unsympathetic and understand your point of view too. We inherited MIL's house, in the same village as ours, and would love to sell to a local young family, but we would have to sell it at such a low price it would be ridiculous. It's now not worth the trouble of renting it out either, though we had considered this too.