To be gleeful that most of us were right

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/adding-vat-to-private-school-fees-has-had-no-obvious-impact-on-state-sector-applications-390546/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2ATdaVlNkJsbtC-KizuW4Fw41obnpvezxnFv4IAFwzJPHXmU90Awr5eqAaem9tMIsn9I0vHSC4jrdYONIA#0rd9makyd4264nstc4us9j77yk5kaoswtLondon Economic

And that private schools has had no impact on state school places. The rich have simply - paid more. Excellent news!

Here are numbers of school closures year by year. Mainstream are the ones to focus on because Specialist SEN are funded by taxpayer via EHCPs

Maybe if everyone had access to good state schools we eouldnt need independent ones!
There is a postcode lottery as to whether you live near a good state school. The BR has yet again achieved bottom of table for GCSEs and A levels but London tops the tables again.
The state SEN sector is in crisis.

So it's not good enough saying "get rid of independent schools" cos that's just lazy. Why aren't you demanding that all state schools are brought up to the standard of the best London schools? I don't hear you doing that. So is it that you live near good state schools do screw the rest of us cos your DC are fine? Give the kids in NE access to the facilities and standards of teaching at top state schools of the South East.

Our local state secondary has GCSE outcomes of 20% achieving 5 x grade 5.

I agree with you all children should have access to brilliant schools, not just a few who can pay. The state sector should be much better. Not all independent schools are good. Not all state schools are poor. All deserve better.

Some announced closure before VAT changes and were struggling anyway, like all businesses, they need to balance books, why should they not. Many were quite small.

So if not all independent schools are good then they can't provide any privilege surely? What advantage are bad independent schools providing?
How about the independent schools which charge 6K per year? Ie less funding than state per pupil?
What about the top 200 state schools which Sutton Trust claim offer as much privilege as top independent schools?

You speak in binary terms and use political slogans when the picture is a lot more nuanced and complicated.

I suppose ultimately though you are just happy to attack the children of perceived "wealthy" parents. It's sad that you obviously view these children as being less than, at the end of the day it's not their choice which schools their parents send them to.

Ffs it's like talking to a Labour PR person. You are gaslighting.

So:
VAT = falling rolls = less income

Then Labour whacked on the following expenditure: business rate increase, NMW increase + NI increase. Plus rising bills eg utility etc.

So falling income + hugely increasing outgoings = unsustainable.

Most independent schools work on very small surplus ie 1 term. They work on tight margins and don't have millions sat in the bank. Labour know this, the whole policy is state interference. They have made these schools unviable.

They are also miraculously Schrodingers scholls: simultaneously wealthy enough to absorb VAT and not pass it on to parents whilst also being financially mismanaged forcing them to close down. So which one is ir?? Cos Labour gaslight everyone and claim that both are true.

Such a weird response to be "gleeful". I wouldn't send my kids to private school (I'm not wealthy enough anyway) as I went to uni with many private school kids and they were way less equipped for day to day life. However, I do believe boarding schools at least serve a need, for the military. I know many kids who had a stable Base due to going to boarding school.

Because there are some pretty vile people who actively wish harm on certain children based purely on the type of school they go to.

“working people”…well someone from Labour HQ is clearly on this thread tonight. Here’s a message for you…go away and come up with some policies that are not based on ideology and spite and that will actually encourage growth instead of damaging a sector that is World renowned and has been contributing to the economy for a very long time. The polls are no secret, most of the country thinks your performance over the last year has been total crap.

@twistyizzy completely gas lighting
@strangerandstranger you seem to be a working person well done you Labour hand maiden open your eyes

you are gleeful that your children will be exposed to a really narrow / skewed extremely wealthy social circle? How very odd and limiting.

@Tandora Nope. I don’t want my children to judge other people and I want them to understand that people struggle. However, in THEIR formative years it’s much more important that they get on and have the building blocks for THEIR lives cos sure as shit no one else is going to help them do that when they are older no matter how compassionate or empathetic they are. And that will be key for their life going forward

The parents of the private school kids were already paying into the system for the state schools but not taking any places, so state school kids were already benefiting.
Now of course, not so much. Because now they are taking those places.
And why shouldn't the parents use their wealth to benefit their kids?
You would.

Lol you think children in state schools don't stick in social cliques?
25% of DC in independent school are on fee assistance ie from lower income families.
Our independent schools is more ethically diverse than the local state which is 98% white British.

I agree, they should - my point was that this policy won't reduce inequality in any way. It's a typical Labour policy based on envy and spite.

In 5 years time this policy could well be costing the state money as enough kids will have moved over to state at the natural breaks and the bill for state education will have risen dramatically.

Slow clap for labour.

It was just another Brexit Bus that played on people's hatred and envy. So frustrating how few of the population have a grasp of economics and market mechanics. It really should be taught at GCSE as a separate subject (alongside lessons in critical thinking).

“Nope. I don’t want my children to judge other people and I want them to understand that people struggle. However, in THEIR formative years it’s much more important that they get on and have the building blocks for THEIR lives cos sure as shit no one else is going to help them do that when they are older no matter how compassionate or empathetic they are. And that will be key for their life going forward”

@Zigazigarrr - it is not that simple. There are lots of fantastic state schools out there that do a very good job and bring out the best in a lot of advantaged middle class kids too. Labour have priced those kids out. You won’t be happy long term if your DCs peer group is all super rich types with trust funds. Nor will the teachers at top schools either, it is alienating for all. You need some diversity in all schools to get the most out of kids. Kids need to build resilience and understand what it is like for others to appreciate their own privilege. It is sort of fundamental. I would at least be signing my DC up to a local scouting group.

Absolutely. It really is a problem.

Reform if they get in, will reverse it. Every other country reversed VAT on education?

Yep to both

It bemuses me that people believe that state schools are the centre of diversity. Maybe in London but like many people outside the capital that was 99% white working class. It’s exactly the same now and my brother teaches in a similar school. My DC’s private school is far more diverse both socially and racially (and religiously for that matter even though it is a faith school). We have such a problem with reverse snobbery in this country and it’s easy to see why. Mixing with other “types” of people is always about those with less money than you whereas my DC are equally at home with someone on free school meals as they are with the children of Premiership footballers, CEO’s, doctors, lawyers….

Exactly. The false idea that all state schools are a successful melting pot of ethnicity, wealth and race is hilarious.

@Araminta1003 Resilience?! Most kids in this country don’t know the meaning of the word. You only need to look at some of threads on here to see that!

On your point about ‘Kids need to understand what it is like for others to appreciate their own privilege’. What has that got to do with my children doing well in their exams and extra curricular activities pls?

I didn't know that, so was interested to hear it. I think it is relevant in that I think private education existing can impact on the quality of state education in terms of everyone buying into it.

How? When 9 million children attend state schools Vs 550K attending independent schools? Are you saying that only the 550K attending independent schools "buy into" education?
None of the 9 million attending state schools "buy into" education?