To be gleeful that most of us were right

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And that private schools has had no impact on state school places. The rich have simply - paid more. Excellent news!

Sounds like you move in circles where that’s a norm and have decided to ascribe that to private education.

I don’t know anyone privately educated that has those issues, including me and DH. I don’t know anyone who sends their child private who thinks they’re any more special than any other child - simply that they want the best that they personally can give their child, whether that’s a decent home, holidays, opportunities, health care, good food on the table - or the best education that they can access.

You sound like the kind of person who thinks every private school is Eton and every privately educated person is Boris Johnson. Ignorant. And, in your case, spiteful and vindictive. As you’ve shown again.

Do you need a pill for that bitterness?

I wish they’d mentioned that on the brochure and tours!?!

The irony is that the Labour Party said that they were taxing private school fees to help fund mental health support in state schools because it’s such a problem.

No need for such nastiness / speculation about people with problems, katsbum.

In a previous post, you said “Doing material harm to other people's kids by advantaging your own at every turn is also unpleasant.”. How is it advantageous for a child to use a system which apparently turns out a high proportion of adults with mental health issues, an inability to cope and drug addiction?

What an outlook.

The fact is, 94% of children in this country attend state schools. If you want to make the choice to use your wealth (and yes, if you can afford private school you are wealthy) to opt out of the state system, then do that - but don't pretend it is a selfless decision. I would like to live in a society where all children are entitled to the education they deserve and that meets their needs, and where rich kids are not given additional privledges that fuel their entitlement (just look around to see where that has got us, culturally and politically). The estimated £406m that VAT on private education will make this year alone will hopefully go someway to levelling the playing field, which is only fair.

I'm obviously being inflammatory to make a point. But that appears to have zoomed above the heads of the tax avoiding social justice warriors on mums🤔net

You do realise that private school parents who are forced to send their children to state schools are just going to spend their newly freed up cash on tutoring and extra curricular.

It's called 'State Plus' - loads of us are already doing it.

How does that level the playing field when a significant percentage of pupils are having private support outside school?

How does that affect the confidence of children who aren't getting high scores any more because their classmates are all having help that isn't available to them? How do schools tell if a teacher is weak or not if half the class are acing a test and the other half failing it?

This policy damages education for SEN kids in private schools, and potentially damages education for poorer kids in state schools.

”f you want to make the choice to use your wealth (and yes, if you can afford private school you are wealthy) to opt out of the state system, then do that - but don't pretend it is a selfless decision.“

@Katbum i think you have this the wrong way round. Those paying privately are already subsidising the state to the tune of 8k per child of unused state school funding. Surely if you want to raise funds you target the top 1-10 per cent who have deliberately bought their way into outstanding state schools. How about an equivalent Council tax penalty for them, whilst we are at it? 3k each per child. I mean they saved so much, I am sure they are happy to pay and rolling in it. Then charging private school parents in the same tax brackets may make sense. It should really be based on household income and wealth.
It would mean that we are the only nation to scrap free state schooling, but if there is the will to tax education then at least raise money and make it make sense. And exempt all kids with SEND.

Tax avoiding? Those who use private education are paying for that education themselves, and are now paying VAT on those fees. The ones taking advantage of the taxpayer are those using the state system, who could otherwise afford to make a contribution to that education.

Sounds like a deal, I’ll continue to opt out and won’t pretend school choice is a selfless act 🙄. Your side is to stop pretending state school is a selfless act because you wanted an easy life and to keep the additional cash or that education tax is a selfless act simply because other people pay it.

Another 2 further posts deleted from Katbum. But don’t forget, she’s one of the good guys, everyone!

I wish they’d leave them, it was really quite the rant against children.

I do think there is some sort of ideology at stake here that if you send your middle class DC to a poorly performing state school you are somehow doing society a favour. Perhaps then if we take this all the way, Council tax discounts for richer households who do just that? This is either a social engineering project or it is not. I do agree in principle that the whole education system in the UK is far too capitalist with the way that pretty much everyone buys their own DC a good education either via catchment, or private schooling or grammar prep.
However, the elephant in the room is that that group of people who all value education - their kids will ultimately always achieve their potential and have a leg up.
The problem is with the group of parents who put no effort into their DCs education or actively obstruct it by not providing the basic support like school readiness, sleep, meals, reading etc. The education system on a shoestring that we now have - it cannot function without parental support. Every single state school teacher will tell you just that.

Yes, me too. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

406m. In an annual budget of 116billion. And let’s be clear there is a lot of unintended consequences still to fully understand.
It’s nowhere close to a solution.

Right. But its more money that otherwise wouldn't be in the budget. Every single political decision has consequences. IMO this is a well overdue redress. Let's see.

You have the reading comprehension skills of a 5 yo. Can you not understand hyperbole/sarcasm? I assume you didn't go to private school? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

So you are happy about the money now being paid to Eton and other big name schools by the Treasury?

Does MNHQ have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old? Because they’re the ones deciding that your posts break Talk guidelines and deleting them, not me.

@Katbum - you are completely missing the symbolic cost of the policy - a tax on education sends a message that deters high achievers who value education from staying in the UK long term. It is just not the “done” thing. It screams socialist Government, what may be next? Just like the non dom inheritance tax. The pittance is may raise is massively offset by the symbolism of it. It also screams not politically stable country, when we need to be sending the opposite message, if we want to turn things around. You cannot be tabling nonsense populist policies if you want to be taken seriously, economically speaking and want people to invest and commit to the UK fully.

Unless you move in the financial and legal world daily and deal with people there, you are just not going to understand the ramifications of this. It is exactly the kind of policy thought out by people living in political bubbles with a socialist worldview that has long term terrible costs for us all. It is just poor policy making. Like Brexit.

This.