To be gleeful that most of us were right

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/adding-vat-to-private-school-fees-has-had-no-obvious-impact-on-state-sector-applications-390546/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2ATdaVlNkJsbtC-KizuW4Fw41obnpvezxnFv4IAFwzJPHXmU90Awr5eqAaem9tMIsn9I0vHSC4jrdYONIA#0rd9makyd4264nstc4us9j77yk5kaoswtLondon Economic

And that private schools has had no impact on state school places. The rich have simply - paid more. Excellent news!

I don't think they are Reform plants. At first I thought they were pure unreconstructed hard core Socialists with all the accompanying economic stupidity combined with a nasty side order of hatred and spite and craven self-interested greed (see all the freebies etc).

Now with their attacks on everybody including the most vulnerable in our society - well I don't know what they are.

Unedifying certainly.

I knew labour would be no friend to me but I thought that maybe, just maybe they would be a better option for the more vulnerable members of society
I was wrong

Same, as a higher earner labour were never going to make me financially better off. But working for nhs and with children in a state primary I hoped they would bring wider positives, but it feels like they are utterly failing every group in society.

They will dine out on 'well we are clearing up the Tory mess' for a while, bit this has its limits

No silent because I've got life stuff to attend to and don't come onto mumsnet everyday. Labour is proving to be a shockingly bad government, and I will never vote for them again. If there is any state provision of anything left after they're done it will be a miracle. Education is done. However, I still don't agree private schools should get charitable status, or be exempt from VAT.

Anyone who is gleeful about restricting education choice needs to give their head a wobble.

Funny how they've announced huge cuts in education... Wasn't the VAT supposed to help fund state schools??

I'm sure OP is gleeful about this too.

Yeah if it doesn’t affect me I don’t care - what a lovely attitude.

If anything, this has highlighted how spiteful envious some people are.

It is even more sad that all this money promised to state schools will no longer happen and will have their funding reduced.

Everyone loses.

Keep clapping for Labour.

It’s just impossible for me to get my head round people thinking taxing education is a good idea or even being gleeful about it! Obviously, you see people outside bookies or in parks on weekdays if you have a day off work etc but I genuinely had no idea there was so many people like this. The next Government seriously needs to look at the damage fully state funded sections of society is doing, it’s warping people’s minds and it can’t be sustainable.

It isn't taxing education, it's simply taxing one non-compulsory option for education. Every child in the country is still entitled to education free of charge.

It is taxing education, and it is quasi abusive towards children with SEND in the private sector. However, keep denying that.
And I agree that those fully state funded with time on their hands and a voice on social media will be the downfall of us all! And politicians should know better than give these types of people so much power. It harms the country long term, in terrible ways.

‘It isn't taxing education, it's simply taxing one non-compulsory option for education’

This is amazing 😍

And again, assuming you haven't read the full thread, many kids cannot access the free option due unmet needs. It simply isn't true that there is a free alternative education for all children. Both of mine suffered from EBSA in their massive comp. All the schools near me are 1000+ . The private they now attend is half that and has tutor groups of about 12. It's a totally different scenario which they can cope with. I will go into as much debt as necessary to keep them there but I shouldn't have to and the gov should not be declaring war on children.

Do you want a state monopoly on education?

Education is a social good as well as important for the good of individuals, like dental care. It shouldn't matter if you want the state provision or another, it's stupid to tax people for spending their money on it.

But much of the free provision is pretty awful so some parents feel like they don’t have a choice but to find the money for alternatives.

It is which is why other countries know to do the opposite.

People putting in their own disposable income to
education reduces burden on state.

No wonder we have more cuts incoming to state after all. What a load of nonsense Labour managed to sell in.

It's also not free, it costs the state £8k per pupil per year (and therefore has to be covered by the tax yield). HTH.

Can you explain why private healthcare isn’t taxed then, when everyone has access to free healthcare?

Not only is private healthcare not taxed, the government are actually using it as a way of reducing NHS waiting lists.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/state-sixth-form-vat-private-school-fees-l5c0zlcnj#:~:text=Record%20numbers%20of%20children%2C%20many,doubling%20for%20Year%2012%20places.

“Record numbers of children, many from private schools, are applying to top state sixth forms for their A-levels, a rise partly driven by the introduction of VAT, according to head teachers.
Some schools have reported applications doubling for Year 12 places.”

The OP may be premature with their glee.

There is something fundamentally wrong with a society that hates education.

Because they hate Borris and his mates and they think by doing this, they will kill any future chances of someone like Borris in the gov.when in actual fact VAT will only hurt the middle class as the elite wouldn’t even flinch.
It has nothing to do with inequality bla bla. If they really did care about inequality between private and state, they should done have in fact increased and not decreased the state schools funding and made sure ALL the SEND children are looked after and that they are actively fixing the teacher retention issue and staff well being that’s on the floor at moment and the list goes on. Oh hang where’s the 6500 teachers they had promised? Oh yeah that’s evaporated too.
well done! Keep clapping!

Completely agree, we’re turning into a rotten backward little country.

Agree

Couldn’t agree more!

EBSA - translation 'my children didn't want to go to school and I couldn't make them. Now they think they are special and society will need to cater to their every emotional manipulation for the rest of their lives'. Jesus. No wonder so many adults cannot cope with life when their parents opt them out of the system.