To be gleeful that most of us were right

[Wranglestar]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/adding-vat-to-private-school-fees-has-had-no-obvious-impact-on-state-sector-applications-390546/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2ATdaVlNkJsbtC-KizuW4Fw41obnpvezxnFv4IAFwzJPHXmU90Awr5eqAaem9tMIsn9I0vHSC4jrdYONIA#0rd9makyd4264nstc4us9j77yk5kaoswtLondon Economic

And that private schools has had no impact on state school places. The rich have simply - paid more. Excellent news!

Not really. When we buy something, the price with VAT is visible, and can chose whether to buy or not buy. Many people started their child at a school, without being able to know this would be added on. Children currently in a private school should have been exempt, should have applied only to new starters.

If you bought a car, and then 2 years later the company says 'our shareholders are a bit short on money so you need to give us an extra 5k' you would be pretty annoyed. If you had known that in advance, you might have chosen to buy a cheaper car, or no car at all.

I really agree with the PP who said the real luxury is having a terrific state option that suits your child's needs available to you.

The likes of @Wranglestar and @Katbum are so busy gloating at the Deckchair Rearrangement policy that they’re totally oblivious to the entirely sinking ship.

I feel no “glee” that Labour has managed to pull the wool over your eyes quite so comprehensively.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/worst-cuts-generation-education-schools-face-squeeze-3599008

Absolutely. If this policy was guaranteed to produce prompt significant improvements in state schools, I can understand why, if they had children in state schools, they would be happy about this.
But it's just a headline policy to try to distract focus from the real issues

I suggest the article is written by someone who doesn’t have children or they are too young to have ever had anything to do with school applications either state or private. They have just looked at numbers and made a story up with no real critical thinking behind it
Nearly everyone with children of that age, even if the dc are definitely going into the private sector will have made an application to the state sector so why would the applications rise by a significant amount
No one will know before September how many of those applications track into pupils at the school

Interested to know what happens further down the line when certain smaller private schools don’t survive and the numbers in those areas have to find schooling for those 2-300 children

Me too! Just being able to use the local school funded by your taxes, imagine!

Will the people dancing around with glee be quite as happy when they realise that their state school provision is about to be hit hard?

From The Times article this morning

“Bridget Phillipson has suggested cutting school spending by £500 million and ending universal free meals for infants, as part of negotiations with the Treasury ahead of the spending review.

The education secretary has also offered to axe funding for free period products in schools as well as dance, music and PE schemes as part of potential savings.”

From the i Paper

“The education sector is braced for the “worst financial situation for a generation”, The i Paper has learned, ahead of expected spending cuts in Rachel Reeves’ Spring Statement.
Schools will have to find money from internal “efficiencies” to help cover a pay rise for their teachers, while plans for some new state schools will not go ahead to save cash. Some could even find themselves forced to lay off staff.”

Many people are saying that private schools will just have to nake efficiency savings. I suppose then that they’ll be in support of the same measures when state schools are faced with similar problems?

This government are a disgrace. Reducing the quality of education across the state and independent sectors will help no one.

Exactly. I felt shock and horror when I learned today about the free school meals and the forthcoming hit to the state sector.

It does not affect me, but I certainly did not feel 'gleeful' that it's going to happen to other peoples children.

This government has gone from incompetent to downright frightening.

Did people really think that it was only the private sector which was going to suffer with this government? Did they really think that extra money was going to magically appear to improve the state provision? The latest news comes as no surprise to many of us.

Any cuts to state primary or secondary provision won’t directly affect my children. However, I’m not gleeful that cuts are happening, because any weakening of any part of the education system is harmful to the country as a whole. I suspect that universities will be massively affected by any further cuts as well.

"Bridget Phillipson has suggested cutting school spending by £500 million and ending universal free meals for infants, as part of negotiations with the Treasury ahead of the spending review.

The education secretary has also offered to axe funding for free period products in schools as well as dance, music and PE schemes as part of potential savings."

I thought the government wanted more music, dance and PE in schools...

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/free-school-meals-face-the-chop-for-some-younger-pupils-tpswtdvbj

This what Labour voters hoped for?

Still think that 15% pay rise for train drivers was a great move?

How depressing is this

Is it what pro Labour / VAT were after?

If things get worse in State schools I will certainly not be feeling any glee at all, even if I don't use them.
Anyone feeling glee about something that unfairly impacts any child could be said to be a bit of a Twat

I thought the government wanted more music, dance and PE in schools...

They did……when they wanted to win some votes. They have already cut funding for Latin and STEM initiatives in state schools.

Latin
Physics
Music
PE
Dance
KS1 School Meals
Period Products

Meanwhile they squander millions on KCs defending a policy that will at best make a rounding error in the DfE accounts.

It means that excelling in the arts and sports will be dominated by those with parents able to fund lessons and training.

And devastating for those in state schools who enjoy the more creative/less academic subjects.

What happens to those teachers as well?

Those who said they were gleeful, did they mean about this?

It would be sensational for my SEN child to be able to attend the local state school and get an education. Instead we had to fund mainstream private which has been a godsend. My goodness I resent having to pay VAT ontop of fees when the state school admitted that mainstream private would be a far better option if at all possible. The sheer inability to provide a calm, orderly educational environment in state is harming so many children.

People being gleeful about VAT on independent school fees are being totally hoodwinked. It's a distraction from their state school plans.

No-one should ever think this Labour government is on their side.

Seems to me like sports and arts after-school stuff is a bit of a luxury, after all many can't afford those things, perhaps all that will also have VAT applied soon enough.

Devastating for all children. Childrens mental health is deteriorating and obesity on the rise, and creative activities and PE help with these. It's not about producing the next west end superstar or Olympic champion, its around providing a rounded educational which supports their health and wellbeing, providing a mental break from the classroom which then enables more focused learning.

DH and I have always been against private schools for our children, preferring them to have a broader experience. But it now looks like state will be much narrower experience if all these activities are taken away, so we might have to think differently.

They have gone strangely silent now their thread seems to not be going the way they hoped.....

@Bushmillsbabe although the poll says otherwise

Not sure that’ll help those in the state sector who will see the drop in funding.

If society decides to make everyone work (men and women equally) and expects children to be at school all day, doing almost a full time job, then society needs to take the tax money from the work of those men and children, to ensure their children are given a balanced education during the day, which includes sport and creativity. If society fails to do that, then those men and women will NOT do the work full time, they will provide it themselves, where they can.

Anyone else beginning to wonder if Rachel, Keir and chums are part of some elaborate Reform plot to guarantee that Farage sweeps to power in the next election?

I’m genuinely struggling to come up with any more credible explanation as to why they are carrying on the way they are. Massive spending cuts announced and on the same day this - I mean Jesus Christ Rachel, read the fcuking room!

Minister ‘too busy for freebies’ amid Sabrina Carpenter row [Reeves organising some free Sabrina tickets for herself]

www.thetimes.com/article/2583e007-a540-4969-9e1f-633cae0edd4e?shareToken=c60d3fbb60c210b7949a591ecd1924e5