To agree with Wes Streeting's statement that MH issues are overdiagnosed?

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Pretty controversial stuff.

Who decides?

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Serious question. If human misery is normal - why do the people who believe this have kids?

Very lucky. Had a meeting last week with a specialist provision for ND children, was trying to put together an updated support plan, the emotional support programme which had been running now doesnt have a worker, so no programme. Then the teacher said that shes ashamed to say she didnt think it was any good anyway.
This is what is happening across the board.

I’ve had loads of shit on another thread ..,basically saying there is too much diagnosis and people are playing the system…I got piled upon !

People weren't objecting when it was mainly just boys being diagnosed ND. Funny that.

ND diagnoses have shot up due to women and girls being diagnosed and now people are suddenly objecting. Funny that too.

The government can't have it both ways. They can't suddenly deny people their diagnosis because it's inconvenient or costing them money. Either ND people are included in the school and workplace (they're not) or the government have to be prepared for them to be financially supported long term (they won't). ND people aren't going to disappear. It's interesting to see how we're causing problems for them for a change and will wait to find out what they're going to do about us.

The anxious and depressed who aren't ND need to be objectively assessed and they need to find a way of doing this to determine just how sick an individual is. Don't expect this to happen though because the nhs aren't geared up for such sophisticated tests and brain scans.

That’s because the people who disagree shout the loudest. The poll result on this thread is telling about how the majority feel though.

I'm not surprised. x

But as above. Why do the pair of you have kids if you think sorrow is normal?

Thanks @DBSFstupid and @MyUmberSeal !

It’s Unbelievable x

This thread and the one mentioned by pp do seem in stark contrast

What a Bliss for life it must be to be under the imagination that we over diagnose mental illness in the UK. That is honestly the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. People are crying out for mental health support and we can't get it because it's criminally underfunded intentionally to allow for the selling of the NHS. If there are people who are unable to work due to mental health, perhaps if more money was given to them to be able to get the diagnosises that are right and that will allow them to get the right support then perhaps they may be able to be supported back to work.
It's an absolute farce and it's clear that people who don't have any clue shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of such issues.

Also, can I remind you that if we just recovered the taxes that are currently owed to us under our actual tax scheme without increasing any taxes for anyone, would actually again about five times the amount of money labour is hoping deceive by cutting benefits and killing people by doing so. Stop blaming the people on benefits and start blaming the million and billionaires.

When manual jobs predominated then a bad back was obviously extremely limited. Anxiety is the equivalent for sedentary jobs.

They will have to wrestle my venlafaxine out of my cold, dead grasp. It's literally transformed my life.

That thread is nasty and awful I’ve been set upon over there ! Yep the poll on here shows how people really feel which is good..x

I was a very anxious child and teenager. I grew up with adults telling me not to be silly, to stop worrying so much. I felt like there must be something really wrong with me because I couldn't stop being so anxious. It wasn't anxiety about not passing my exams, not being popular etc, it was anxiety around dying or having a terminal illness. This then developed into OCD. I was also left with PTSD following a very traumatic event in my teenage years. I wish I'd had access to a counsellor, I feel this would have benefited me so much and perhaps meant I wouldn't have an even more serious diagnosis when I was older.

You don’t seem even a little bit gross.

As do you ! 🤮

i don't have kids.

Fair enough. So you just think life is supposed to be bad. Fine but perhaps that's down to your illness rather than an objective view.

Exactly.

And as somebody else said the difficulties aren’t going to go anywhere. What isn’t supported will get worse and A&E, police, hospitals will gain even more pressure. Jogging off to 50 hours in Lidl isn’t going to pure many problems.

I think also for many of us we suffer a pervasive sense of panic and fear but have no reason for it, its not anything tangible. The best help Ive had with that (apart from anti anxiety meds when needed, dont need them now) is that these feelings can be managed, dealt with, navigated through, worked alongside. Children wont know this if they're just expected to be reactive to it and not develop skills to work with it to minimise its effect.

Its not about 'not worrying' its about recognising the feeling but having strategies to mean that feelings are not the sole driver of behaviour.

The best counsellor I ever had said 'feelings are not always reliable'. Changed my life.

My youngest school do a weekly day of mental health support where they talk about these feelings and strategies children can use to work with these. I think today is it better that this is recognised and worked with then dismissed like it was when I was younger. I feel my children will end up having better mental health then I do because of this approach.

But are they the worried well? Weve lived through a pandemic/lockdowns, child poverty is spiralling, the gap between rich and poor is growing and growing. Many of todays younger generations spent large parts of their childhood in childcare of varying quality and on screens, not making normal friendships. Most young people will never have the quality of life their parents had and are having to massively lower their expectations.

Where’s the evidence that doctors are suddenly diagnosing more, why cant it be that theres a genuine increase in poor mental health?

That's not what I said.
I said 'Life isn't a bed of roses'. It's not meant to be easy all the time.
Do you think it is?

At work the younger ones that work for us now cannot be given developmental feedback (said kindly and carefully) without having a massive meltdown and citing their MH issues as reasons that they can't be told off (gently) for not doing their job properly. It's causing chaos in my workplace as it is in other industries and my profession is becoming a bit of a joke.
It's all so fucked up.
The people that genuinely have MH issues aren't getting the help they desperately need because all this crap is also clogging up the system along with the government etc etc