Changes to PIP

[Orangesandlemons77]

It looks like to qualify for PIP people will need 4 points in one area, see here from the Times
"In future, ministers will require applicants to score at least four points on at least one activity to qualify"
Not sure if this means in each section (care, mobility)

This would exclude quite a few people I think

It beggars belief to me that you're envious of people judged unable to walk 50m and want to see them on buses. Is that who you wanted to be when you grew up?

Punch up, not down.

1 in 5 new cars are motability cars. Are you saying that 1 in 5 people purchasing a new car are unable to walk more than 50m? I don't think that stacks up.

I know several people with motability cars. Not a single one has any problems going about daily activities.

So how would you manage without a car, especially if you couldn't cycle due to disabilities? Or couldn't get public transport as you couldn't follow the timetable or manage the walk to/from the bus stop? Ot had to be accompanied everywhere as you had no sense of danger?
I am genuinely interested by the way. I'm not looking for a fight, but I want to understand why people who have none of the disadvantages of the disabled think that the help they do get is unnecessary. I think it's really important that people understand why these things are needed.
My son gets taxis to and from school. If he didn't he wouldn't be able to attend unless I took him in a private taxi each morning (I don't drive - awful driver when I did take lessons and can't afford the lessons or a car, let alone having the time to actually take lessons), which would mean I couldn't work while he was at school, unless you know of any jobs 2 hrs a day that pay enough to live on?

They aren't owned by the people using them. They're hired.

There are almost 34 million cars in the UK, 815k of which are motability vehicles.

It’s not possible to rent a car through the motability scheme unless you have significant difficulty getting about.

Sure you do.

Hey, you can have our motability car for free, but only if my DH's paraplegia is transferred to you too.

I have heard that people aged 18-24 are going to be targeted the most.

And the government is looking at making it illegal for influencers to post videos which coach people on how to get PIP.

I have always felt that the rise is partly due to social media. When my oldest dd was little, nobody really knew about disability benefits unless a medical professional advised them to apply. In our case, my daughter’s portage worker told us to apply. I had never heard of it then.

There is not much point arguing with these bigots. Facts won't cure their hatred of disabled people.

Honestly it’s a waste of time even engaging with some of the fools on MN atm 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yes. Some of them are also racists - they even manage to slip that in too on a thread from yesterday. It is a certain mindset that won’t change.

Obviously they are needed. It's hard to get. Why is there so many on benefits? The NHS needs sorting before any benefits are cut. I'm pretty sure not being able to get any appointments/long waiting lists aren't helping.

What does this have to do with motability? You don't drive, so won't be getting a car. And every working parent has to struggle with finding jobs to fit around schools - why is that different for you? And why is a taxi best value for money?

And I resent the attitude that any questioning of the status quo is akin to denying the existence of disabled people, or wishing them harm. It's simple minded and not helpful. There's not an endless supply of money, and if the only response is "we need more money, more accommodations and more flexibility that no one can ever question", we are never going to have a sustainable solution.

And do you follow these people 24/7 to know they don't t have any issues with daily activities? 🙄

Honestly it’s a waste of time even engaging with some of the fools on MN atm

Do you think they’re hired?

There’s a few on the Politics board and, bizarrely, the Royal Family board too!

Then you need to report them for fraud. You need enhanced mobility to qualify for a mobility car. Unless you're just making things up of course....

Qualifying Mobility Allowances:
Higher Rate Mobility Component of Disability Living Allowance (DLA)
Enhanced Rate of the Mobility Component of Personal Independence Payment (PIP)

Daily Living or Mobility Needs:
You need to have daily living or mobility needs and need additional help because of an illness, disability or mental health condition.

I disagree. I think that’s where everyone’s most people just don’t understand the set up and honestly think there are people driving about in Ferraris because they said they were disabled. It’s so far from the truth it’s a bit mind boggling, but I guess you don’t know if you don’t know.

It does need changing tbh. My son is severely mentally impaired and it baffles me that some people are on the same rate pip as him, when he's unable to live a normal life and needs life long care, let alone work. Obviously everyone isn’t the same but I’m sure half of the people on it could do some small admin / wfh in their own time and go on a lower rate. I personally know people on it and it does seem like a piss take when you compare them to someone like my son 🤷🏻‍♀️ I know everyone isn’t playing the system but the ones who do ruin it for everyone.

The difference between having a disabled child and working and having any other child is that they often can’t attend after school or before school childcare and may also have a quite bewildering number of appointments with Drs/OTs/SALT etc so work can be extremely difficult. The reason many people use taxis rather than public transport is that for quite a few public transport isn’t an option.

You seem to have misunderstood what PIP is.

PIP isn't an out of work benefit. I could do a WFH admin job (and have applied for 4 over the weekend 🤞), I'd still qualify for enhanced PIP in both categories because working doesn't mean any of the difficulties I face have gone away.

A lot of people don’t seem to understand the difference between ESA/UC, which is about working or not, and PIP/DLA, which is nothing to do with working or not. 🤷‍♀️

The government keep conflating the two of them, which doesn’t help. 🙄

PIP is not about working. 🤷‍♀️

I presume that is for me?
You started the point about motability cars not being needed, not me. I don't have one, that doesn't mean I can't point out why others do need them. You don't appear to be disagreeing that they would be necessary in many cases as you've not answered the question about how you would cope without a car if your circumstances were that of a disabled person.
My point about working was that if taxi to school wasn't funded I would have to take my son to school, therefore cutting back on my available working hours, to such a degree that there would be no job for me therefore forcing me onto benefits. There is no bus from where we live to his school, or to the college he is hopefully attending from sept (there was but the council cut it) so taxi is the only option.
I don't think you shouldn't question it. You should. You should also be open to hearing the reasons why the support is given, and hopefully learning from the replies you get here.

Oh right I see, the family members I know who are on it don’t work at all , and get all their rent paid as they have a disabled element I believe on pip?
my mistake, I have nothing against people who genuinely need to go on it and whether they work or not. My comment was about people who lay it on or fiddle the system x

Added to that there is no childcare/after school support for secondary age children because they are expected to be able to manage themselves, which mostly isn't the case for those with disabilities.