Changes to PIP

[Orangesandlemons77]

It looks like to qualify for PIP people will need 4 points in one area, see here from the Times
"In future, ministers will require applicants to score at least four points on at least one activity to qualify"
Not sure if this means in each section (care, mobility)

This would exclude quite a few people I think

As PIP said higher than 50% success rate for claimants and more than 10% of working age population on this benefit debunks the myth that it’s a hard benefit to get.

Nice? What is this, a grown up debate forum or kindergarten?

It's about 50/50 success rate currently but even according to Gov figures that only accounts for 22% of disabled people.

I agree means testing is one option but I completely disagree it should be limited to the most severely physically disabled. Someone in a wheelchair for example may be capable of being a high earner whereas a profoundly autistic person may never be able to work.

Is this just hearsay though? Or offical goverment legislation?

A lot of seems to just be the media randomly guessing.

It's about 50/50. So that's 50% of disabled applicants excluded on top of the fact they make up less than a quarter of disabled people as a whole. So the vast majority of disabled people dont/cant receive it.

I'd say that makes it difficult to get by most people's standards.

Yeah because they don’t qualify.

And more than half get it. So not difficult at all.

Given that a further 70% plus are successful on appeal they do indeed qualify.

As for the nearly 80% of disabled people who don't claim it doesn't mean they don't qualify at all. We can't possibly know the reasons why but I'd imagine a large percentage simply can't apply.

It’s a extremely hard benefit to get.
i had a home assessment which lasted 3 hours, she even looked around my home to check what aids I had and asked me to walk so she could see.
second time round, I was awarded a ten year light touch award but they still rang my constulants and that was after sending over 100 pages of medical evidence.
Its not as simple as getting some happy pills and claiming like some seem to think.

I think I am one of the people who will lose PIP. I don’t know how we will survive without it. I suffer severe anxiety - my current psychologist has said she’s never seen anyone as anxious as me. I don’t leave the house. I see and hear things, angels telling me to do bad things. I also have severe depression and OCD. I self harm daily.
I would actually like to work again but I need to be better first. At the moment I’m too unwell to manage an interview. I’m on multiple medications. I see a psychiatrist regularly. I have twice weekly visits from the MH team currently as I’m so suicidal.

Well this is wrong and it should be means tested.

I can see why some claimants in full time employment might need it, for instance, to pay towards therapy costs, but I’m sure not every claimant in full time work NEEDS it.

It does need a proper overhaul.

Why would you think you would lose it. I have read your posts before and you seem to have serious MH. They will not cut it for this group of people. Nothing that has been leaked about changes to the benefits system suggests that people with severe disabilities will have their PIP cut .

It's only just had an overhaul from DLA. I feel awful for people who rely on that money constantly wondering who they're coming for next.

The process of claiming PIP is inhumane, and while over 70% of appeals are upheld that's a delay of 18 months in some cases. Loads of people give up before they get to that point, because entering a tribunal and having to persuade a judge how your double incontinence affects you, or why you need to be told to wash, is humiliating. It's already a system designed to deter the people who need it from applying.

PIP was introduced in 2013 so has been around for a while now although unbelievably there are still a small number of claimants that have still not been transferred from DLA.

Yeah my mother only got moved from DLA to PIP perhaps four years ago.

Because I don’t fit in a box. I don’t have bipolar. Or schizophrenia. No personality disorder. “Just” anxiety, depression, psychotic episodes. I’m waiting for my new claim to be assessed and think it’s very likely I’ll be rejected this time.

And lots do not.

It absolutely should not be means tested and it’s ludicrous to suggest that a number of claimants have high flying jobs. Quite the opposite is true. The representation of disabled people amongst higher earners is horribly low.

Please don't worry. If they make changes ( and nothing has been confirmed yet), it will not be immediate so if your review is going through currently it is very unlikely and new changes would affect it this time around.

80% of pip recipients are not in work.

80%.

Your disability doesn’t suddenly disappear because you’re able to work, and for the very small proportion of people who are able to hold a senior job despite their disability the PIP money is likely paying for supports that enable them to stay in work. Setting aside the moral issues, on a purely pragmatic level surely it makes sense to have those people in work and paying taxes rather than them be out of work and relying on benefits, to the tax payers cost?

It sounds like the same thing I have- recurring psychotic depression. I think with the MH support your are getting you should be OK. I'm just under the GP now so more likely to take it away despite me still being on antipsychotics.

I'm very worried how people will manage.

What's really needed is more employment opportunities where there is understanding of disabilities.

I hope my ADHD/ASD daughter will manage to work in the future but I don't think she would cope in full time work. She could be a part time worker though. She'd also need an understanding employer prepared to provide more training than standard and be patient with mistakes. Unfortunately, there really aren't many employers like that out there.

People on PIP could end up with no benefits and no PIP. What are they supposed to do? It's actually very scary.

My son gets LCWRA on UC and enhanced rates of pip . However he pays most of it (bar £30 per week) to social care as his contribution. If they lower the LCWRA rate then social care get less which means that budget will take a huge hit 🙄

But they are talking about lowering the LCWRA but increasing the standard element which everyone gets.

Its unlikely someone like you, with severe mental health problems would lose PIP.

They are talking about an increase of young people out of work who have mild mental health problems.