Changes to PIP

[Orangesandlemons77]

It looks like to qualify for PIP people will need 4 points in one area, see here from the Times
"In future, ministers will require applicants to score at least four points on at least one activity to qualify"
Not sure if this means in each section (care, mobility)

This would exclude quite a few people I think

I think the government might also need to consider that the number of PIP awards has increased because people are getting better at answering the questions, owing to more online resources being available.

There are many excellent free websites that explain the actual PIP statute, the purpose of the descriptors, case law and tribunal judgements around the definitions of 'safely, repeatedly and to an acceptable standard' (the importance of pain, for example), and how to manage assessments, assessors, reviews, mandatory reconsiderations and tribunals.

Yes but in the care part, there are multiple sections in which you can collect points: Food, communication, managing money etc.

They are targeting rich pensioners and dishonest PIP claimants.

I work full time and get maximum PIP in both components. Some of that pays for my motobility scooter. It’s a vital lifeline for me, which means I can live a productive life and keep wolves from the door.

Looks like the wolves are the fucking Labour government.

I also work full time and get PIP - it’s BECAUSE of PIP that I am able to work. If I lose it, I will very quickly become unable to work.

How will that help their figures, surely that will rather defeat their claimed purpose and objectives of ‘supporting more people into work’.

Why is there so much commotion over this. The current system is unsustainable. It cannot be allowed to go on where more and more people are being given this handout.

It’s not me it’s my daughter. She’s reading stuff online and it’s making her feel like shit. Really not helping her MH at all.

Because vulnerable young people rely on it and deserve it. They’re being made to feel like criminals. Some of the stuff online and in the media is awful.

@Rinoachicken, can you help me understand how it benefits you? Is it just financial, or are their other benefits? Genuinely seeking to understand because if its financial then if your employer paid you more would still be able to work?

Is the core issue low salaries for most people, especially those with health challenges?

Unfortunately the term vulnerable is overused. It’s become an identity, rather than a limitation.

Another parallel .
Wes Streeting suggested that the unemployed should get weight loss injections.
Back in 2014 Ian Duncan Smith wanted them to go on the Cambridge Diet

Which the hypocrites in both parties were happy to use during Covid,

I think it's hard for people to realise how debilitating some conditions are. I posted about DD3 earlier. DD2 has ASD and associated language disorder, etc. She's 17 and goes to a specialist school with 1:1 bespoke timetables. When things go wrong she quite literally can't tell her teachers. She has to send me a message, then I have to contact the school, tell them what's happening, and they have to contact the teacher she's with to say 'whatever she looks like, DD2 is not ok and you will need to leave the venue.' She has a staff team who are working very hard to get her back into the school setting, but it's a very gradual process. There is no way she can operate in society on a regular basis. I'm so grateful that she was awarded high rate PIP. If they take it away, her needs won't change, she'll just be in poverty as well as disabled.

DD1, sadly, has such obvious needs that I don't worry about her PIP getting removed.

I agree

Its the elephant in the room (including in the House of Commons) but its to pay for the bloody lockdowns.

So there are no vulnerable young people now?

Define vulnerable.

It was on news this morning that people would be allowed to try a job without losing their benefits. Don't know how that would work?

Indeed they were.

They were happy to rip off and steal billions from the taxpayer in the name of the ‘vulnerable’, so they had to decidedly increase their numbers.

Unfortunately people were happy to take the freebies and turned a blind to the robbery by the government. Now reality is setting in.

Absolutely this. I work for the nhs, I had an accident at work due to faulty nhs equipment and need knee surgery. The wait time is at least 18 months, at which point so much wear and tear damage will have been done that the surgery won't be that effective, and the nhs may have to eventually ill health retire me, which will cost them many hundreds of thousands to pay that for next 40 years, based on me living to about 80. They could have just paid the approx 7k it would cost for me to have it done privately or boost me up the wait list, but no, they would rather loose a skilled professional and a large amount of money. It's not something I want either, I love my job.

Are you saying PIP should be cut to pay back the furlough of the laptop classes?
Because im proven right if so.
I warned in 2020/21 that it wouldnt be the more well off paying for the lockdowns and restrictions

Im so sorry to hear this. Its the NHS spending a grand to save a fiver

The thing is even some Labour MP's abstain for voting for the cuts, we know the Tory's will back them. KB has already stated this. However agree it might take some time to get law passed. It has to get through Lords too.

Labour are Wolves dressing in sheeps clothing.

My 17yo is similar - ASD and anorexia, very likely ADHD too, as well as several physical issues that have worsened as she's got older. Burnt out from school, is home around 90% of the week. Very intelligent but exhausts quickly and scored 19 in the care part. Her application was over an inch thick of supporting reports.

She's so worried by everything she's hearing. She's on wait lists for everything, some running to years rather than months. The PIP is going to pay for private treatment and a specialist support coach to hopefully enable her to attend college in the autumn.

Half the problem is that they don’t take honest straightforward answers and need key words or phrases included. It should be that way, it shouldn’t be difficult to answer you should just be able to answer for yourself not be over thinking have you answered in the way that gets your needs awarded. I think that suited them though to be able to deny claims when people weren’t aware of this.

Changing the qualifying criteria for PIP a benefit for which the fraud rate is what 0 or near enough 0 seems cruel. They’ll keep on chipping away though in a few years you’ll probably only be able to get an award if you score 6.74 on a windy Tuesday in March if you’re wearing a red jumper your illness or disability starts with the letter J and your postman is called Dave