Sausage dog kills baby

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Sorry if there’s already a thread on this. Absolutely tragic story today about a sausage dog getting into a small baby’s crib and killing it. The parents knew it was aggressive and had taken precautions to keep the dog separate but on this occasion had forgotten.
Unfortunately the story is bringing out all the XL bully morons who are somehow using this to justify the fact that ‘fighting dogs’ are no greater risk than small dogs. Why are people so stupid?

I could see it. I have a dachshund and they can be vicious little buggers, as well as far more athletic than they appear at first sight. My dig could easily leap into a crib if she took a run up.

What doesn't ring true is the silent method of death. Dachshunds grab by the throat but they shake and snarl. It's loud.

My dog loves children but I'd never take that for granted. I know that at heart she's a deadly little murder hound.

This. I was in a Clarks shoe shop this afternoon, trying on shoes, and a dog wander up to me (on a very long lead) and started snuffling over my shoes. I moved away and it came back. The owner did nothing. I asked the staff member behind the desk if dogs were allowed in the store and he said 'yes, absolutely - I love dogs'. So I simply left. I just wanted to buy a pair of shoes, not have a dog following me around and messing with my stuff.

News reports say the baby had ''multiple bites'' - Surely any human being bitten by a dog will make a noise..the sudden sharp pain.

Even a rat grabbed by a ratting dog will squeal.

It sounds highly suspicious, were the parents drunk or passed out for the baby not to have raised the alarm by instinctive screaming?

A dog doesn't ''strangle'' - reports said the baby had multiple bites.

Or , more likely, was the baby left alone by the negligent parents with the aggressive Dachshund?

A dog bred to kill badgers is certainly capable of killing a small four week old baby.

Awful situation.

Who makes a dog sleep outside in Ireland ?? The poor thing must have been constantly cold. How cruel

100% this.

The whole story smacks or parental neglect.

Dogs don't hunt prey by ''strangulation'' , they shake and worry - why on earth didn't the parents hear the commotion? The poor little baby would have been screaming.

They said it was too fierce to come in the house.

Yes, there were multiple bite wounds and yes you would have thought the baby would cry from being bitten. I was quoting from this account which appears to quote the mother. Daily Mail I know. I think another report said the recorded cause of death was strangulation. There is a criminal investigation into negligence on the part of the parents but in Russia the maximum jail term for that offence is just two years.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14498245/dachshund-kills-baby-vets-ignored-parents-concerns.html

That was another dog who had previously exhibited aggressive behaviour towards the baby. On the night the dog attacked and killed the baby the parents were outside on the patio and the dog, who normally lived outside, was somehow in the house. The baby was in her own room in a moses basket and I can only assume there was no baby monitor. It's obvious the dog was to blame for the babies death but I struggle to feel much beyond anger for the parents.

I have a lovely little dog, he's never exhibited any aggression towards people but I would never leave him alone with children, ever. It's just responsible dog ownership.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/01/19/misadventure-verdict-at-inquest-into-death-of-baby-attacked-by-jealous-dog/

Ah, I didn't see the bassinet was on the floor in the article I read. I thought the dog had jumped into an average-sized cot (so approx 5 feet off the ground).

I agree a dachshund could get into a bassinet placed on the floor but, still, the noise would wake anyone in the house. Anyone not drugged or passed out drunk.

We have 3 5 week old chihuahua puppies atm (long story, not ours) and they 'kill' their toys the same way a dachshund would by grabbing and shaking and by God, the noise they make. You can hear it throughout the house. If I hear it when I'm downstairs I usually go racing upstairs convinced they are trying to kill something living or are being killed by something. I ran out of the shower naked a couple of days ago because I thought they were trying to kill the cat.

sorry - i did think about what I'm saying. what's your issue?

Earth. Where are you?

If you look up the Russian sources, including the one linked in the Independent article, none of them reference "silent strangulation". Like the Independent article, they all just describe the baby being found, dead, with multiple bite marks.

It's not clear to me why the Mail and the Sun are reporting "silent strangulation" but it seems to be an embellishment by the British press (and, if they have a source for that particular claim, perhaps it was just a poor translation).

I think its a bit gross to see people posting accusations against the parents, particularly the one who said that the dad being the last person to see the baby alive was "all she needed to know".

I've had dogs all my life, several dachshunds, poodles, labs & spaniels.
All I think I would trust around my children, BUT I'd absolutely never leave them alone around them no way. You never know, like you'd never leave a stranger with your baby, or young children together alone. It's just dangerous

This is the way now, dogs are family, that's how it is.
For me though, just like you wouldn't leave a stranger with your baby, you'd never leave a dog anywhere near your baby either. Common sense.

Just because its really grinding my gears...

Dachshunds do not kill badgers, or wild boar (seen that somewhere else)...

They hold them at bay, shouting their heads off, until someone comes to dispatch the badger/boar/whatever else they're yelling at.

If you've ever clapped eyes on badger, boar or dachshunds, you would see how that idea is utter nonsense. (They've also not been used for badgers for a long time and for boar even longer!)

They are more than capable of killing a very small baby of course, that is not in dispute.

I still wonder where the 'silent strangulation' thing came from, even if the dog did asphyxiate the child as a cause of death, that would not be instant or silent. It seems an odd thing for even the gutter press to invent completely though!

Dogs do not lie in wait and then sneak in and kill the baby silently, sneakily, when everyones asleep. That isn't how dogs function.

The parents of course already were negligent in both care of child (exposing to risk of this dog) and care of dog (thinking dealing with the dogs aggression by tying it up was appropriate). Whether they actually killed the child themselves, or were further negligent in being so out of it for whatever reason they didn't hear the attack happening... we can only speculate, which of course, some people will say we should not do, but if these things are never discussed, how does anyone learn anything?

The article says it was a family member speaking to local press and that it happened in the middle of the night whilst everyone was asleep. The baby was found dead in the morning which supports the family members claim that everything happened so quietly that none of the sleeping occupants of the house were disturbed.

Also, they are being investigated for negligence, I'm just wondering how on earth a miniature dachshund got into a cot, mine can't even jump onto the sofa, unless it was a standard. Doesn't say though.
I'd say that the standards can be a bit more temperamental for sure.

The circumstances sound dodgy AF but I'm not surprised. Dachshund are among the most commonly aggressive dogs I've met. My dad's partner has one and it's bitten my niece and my child, it would have seriously hurt both (2 separate occasions weeks apart) if on both occasions a parent hadn't been sat on the floor with the children concerned. She still owns the dog because "it's only little" and "only nipped".

If the cat who is determined to put his entire face on my face at around 4-5am every morning is anything to go by, then this is a very real risk. He is literally not happy unless his entire body is on top of me.

(I’m a HV and do talk generally about not leaving babies/children with any animal unsupervised)

No-one is screaming and stomping their feet ffs we are talking about a dead child

Yes, but all I can't find in terms of Russian sources (including one that include official statements) are ones that describe the baby being found, dead, with multiple bites marks. The "strangulation" claim could be inadvertent embellishment/hyperbole by the family member, a poor translation or just an error.

If people are going to start accusing one of more of the parents of murder (as they have been) then I think they are doing so on an incredibly flimsy basis, and I think any accusations of that sort should not be made lightly by any decent person.

Yes I quite agree. People do though. They treat their dog as an additional child. And to be honest, even if the parent is in the same room, if a dog turns on a child (especially a baby) it can be too late anyway - it's not always about neglectful leaving a dog unsupervised with a baby.

My son, at 6 months old, was attacked by a dog in a playground while he was sitting in his pram (his older brother was at the playground). I was right next to the pram, chatting to a friend. It all happened in a flash. I saw it tearing up to us, but the dog was on top of the pram, on top of my baby before I had time to react. I then had to litetally wrestle the dog off my baby with my bare hands, while screaming my head off. It was awful. The idiot owners said 'he's never done anything like thay before'. Yeh there's always a first time
From that experince I've learned never to trust a dog, or a dog owner, anywhere near me or my child. This is why I'm so aghast at dogs being allowed everywhere in public, from restaurants and shops, to pubs and even trains. We can't get away from them.

Yes. And for goodness sake don't be in such desperation to defend dogs that you'll accuse bereaved parents of having murdered their own child. I know that does happen, but so does dogs murdering children.

A friend who is into dog showing had a carefully planned litter of dogs [Now adults- adults are gentle, lovely temperaments} but she posted a video of the little pups {about 5 weeks old} and they were rampaging around their pen in her sitting room squealing and growling ferociously - it sounded very fierce, but its so say what puppies do when playing together.

It is noisy!

The parents were obviously negligent leaving a crib on the floor where they couldn't hear a traumatised baby being attacked by their aggressive dog..anyone who leaves a dog with a young baby, unattended is taking a massive risk, especially a dog known to be aggressive.

Sounds like the parents may have been out of earshot, or passed out drunk or stoned.