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To not give up my job that DH hates?

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hesnotthewindbeneathmywings · 13/03/2025 11:03

First off I will say that DH does an incredible amount at home and for our family compared to many husbands. He runs his own business which allows him the flexibility to wfh most of the time so usually does the school pick ups for our youngest 4 days a week, and our oldest 3 days. We both do morning drop offs every day and I do pick ups on the days he doesn't. I have less flexibility with pick ups because I'm often on calls which is why he does most of them.

Unlike DH I work for a company. My role over the past few years required me to be the office 1 day a week (30 min commute), and occasionally be in London / elsewhere a day or two a handful of times a month. Once a quarter I would be required to travel to another office for 2 days (including overnight). DH was very disgruntled with my working arrangement and felt I wasn't around enough to support with the children.

DH works very hard and his business provides for our family very well. About triple what I bring in. Salary and progression have been a real struggle for me in my career, partly because of previously undiagnosed ADHD and very low self esteem. I'm now diagnosed and on medication. It's been life changing for me and I've excelled at work performance wise, but progression has been slow (but it is happening). Still, my salary is fairly low (roughly £40k). DH feels my salary doesn't contribute enough to our household income given my workload & travel requirements (see below). For reference I have benchmarked my role and the pay is in the range of most others I've found. Albeit at the lower end of the range. But it's not uncommon.

I've been trying very hard over the past year to progress in my role and move to a senior position. I've managed a small pay rise, and the responsibilities in my role have changed slightly over the past 6 months. I wfh 3 days a week, travel overnight to our other office 2-3 quarters rather than 4 like I'd done previously. There are less ad-hoc days I'm required to be in London meeting agencies and clients. But there are several times I year I'm required to travel for work. However this is not often, and usually not for long. So far it's just been once about 6 months ago for 3 days.

I've been incredibly anxious to tell him that I'm now required to travel abroad and be away from home for a week. This overlaps with a weekend due to flights, schedules and time zones. Not only is attendance mandatory and a critical element of my role, but I see it as an important step towards progressing in my career.

DH completely flipped out when I told him. He can't understand 'how my company expects me to leave my family for a week'. I've tried to explain to him that I am the only person with my role in the company and attending the meetings and events on this trip is a mandatory and crucial element to my role. If I said I couldn't go and had to have someone else go in my place, I'd be handing over a defining element of my job and I feel it would put me at a significant disadvantage for future career growth.

I've tried to explain that a lot of others in my team (same level as myself) are all required to come into the office 2 days a week, travel to our other office a few times a year, and occasionally travel abroad. Often more frequent than myself, but usually just for a couple nights. Many don't have families, but some do (including several mothers).

All DH does is criticise I don't support enough at home and don't earn enough. I love my job, and perform very well in it. He doesn't really understand the dynamics, politics and strains of the corporate world because he's never worked a corporate job. He can't understand that I just can't cancel a call at the drop of a hat to collect one of the children if he's in the middle of something.

AIBU in sticking with my role and my vision to progress on a career path I enjoy? It's taken me 20 years of various corporate jobs to finally find one I'm good at and that I enjoy.

OP posts:
Mustreadabook · 13/03/2025 13:47

blueshoes · 13/03/2025 11:37

Does he want you to be a SAHM or find another job?

Could you get wrap around care at school for the days that you are working in London every week? Or eveyday if you are both still working when the children get home. It might make it all a bit more manageable.
No way should you give up your job. But you shouldn't really be trying to look after kids while working at home either, that is going to be stressful and not as productive.

ThighsYouCantControl · 13/03/2025 13:47

hesnotthewindbeneathmywings · 13/03/2025 11:58

I've asked him what his ideal solution would be and he's never been able to provide me with an answer.

He just wants me to either make more money, push back on crucial elements of my current job, or get a new job paying more and that is more convenient for him and our family.

It's not possible to only perform half my role and do the bits that suit my home life the best. Thats just an unrealistic option. So the only option would then be to quit my job and look for another.

But it's not a reasonable expectation from him that I would be able to go out and get another job with a significant salary increase that enables me to WFH every day, collect the children and be with them during my working hours.

Honestly, I think he needs to check his privilege. He’s incredibly lucky to have a job that apparently pays him a shedload and be around so much for his children. I’d kill for that work life balance. So would my husband and probably many others.

Realistically, you’re not going to get another job that pays more but also gives you more time at home day to day. If he can’t see that he’s a fucking idiot. Or he’s being deliberately awkward.

BountifulPantry · 13/03/2025 13:48

Mirabai · 13/03/2025 13:43

Whose sacrifice? His?!

40k is a perfectly healthy amount of money. She’s paying NI contributions and presumably into pension, that will pay dividends in the long run. How will he magic up another role that will suddenly pay double? Could she be paid more - sure, and she perhaps needs to have a serious conversation with her firm. But pressurising OP and making her feel bad about her income she’s worked so hard for is unacceptable.

Edited

Roles with an international travel requirement will typically pay far higher than £40k due to the time and energy sacrifice required to facilitate the demands of the job.

The one exception would be right at the start of a very lucrative career where most people won’t have kids.

I don’t think OP should leave her job. The options would be to get a different £40k a year job with more flexibility and no travel, or a job with similar travel requirements that pays more.

MzHz · 13/03/2025 13:49

Wages over the last 30 years have not increased for the average working person. Only at the top the numbers have grown into stupid amounts of money. The vast majority or people in receipt of Housing benefits are IN WORK. this is a travesty, our jobs should be enough to pay for the roof over our heads. Jobs should not be topped up by income support. but this is another story

Jobs that require you to travel do NOT pay the 6 figures so many people think they should. Most people have to travel economy, some are capped in terms of spend and distance for financial and climate reasons, but you are expected to go where the work/client etc is.

If i was happy with the job i have and didn't have to endure petty requirements and hoops that HR have come up with to change the role I took on into something totally different and not compensate me for it, i would be happy staying where i was, my H would he happy to support me to do so, because my job makes me happy. As it is, we've reached HR tipping point and I'm leaving.

The issue here is not the job/pay/travel, it the attitude of the OP H.

Molstraat · 13/03/2025 13:51

He sounds nasty, abusive, belittling and very controlling.
In short, not someone who you should depend on for your security.
Certainly not a relationship that I would feel secure in.

He wants you to be available to make HIS life easier, thats it.

He doesn't want to parent bare the minimum.

Do not be coerced into giving up work....that is now a crime.

Get a live out nanny.
You do not dxist for his convenience.

Mirabai · 13/03/2025 13:54

BountifulPantry · 13/03/2025 13:36

I agree…

£40k for a job that requires international travel…. Sorry but I think your OH has a point there. They’re clearly underpaying you and it’s affecting him and your family life.

In his head he is probably thinking that the sacrifice of you being away is not worth it for your pay. Which…. It isn’t. I agree with him there.

There’s 2 aspects to this. Should she be paid more for a job involving international travel, sure; should he be tackling it in this way - hell no.

It’s perfectly possible to support her work while encouraging her to renegotiate her salary or look elsewhere for a similar position better pay.

Jk987 · 13/03/2025 13:55

He's out of order. If he earns 3 x your salary that's £120k and he can hire some help if he wants. Or at least get some easy meals from Cook etc.

Mirabai · 13/03/2025 13:57

Jobs that require you to travel do NOT pay the 6 figures so many people think they should. Most people have to travel economy, some are capped in terms of spend and distance for financial and climate reasons, but you are expected to go where the work/client etc

I agree, but at the same time there’s a long way between 40k and 6 figures.

I’d expect a new role or new demands in an existing role for travel abroad, which will have childcare implications, to have at least some pay increase.

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 13/03/2025 14:02

This will blow some of your minds......an international officer working at my university will earn between £34k and £38K and they'll be expected to travel regularly and for more than a week at a time! Plus travel will be economy 😂

lechatnoir · 13/03/2025 14:04

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/03/2025 12:30

I wouldn't be impressed as a higher earner if I then also had to look after children independently for a week.

I'd expect a higher salary involving international travel or a new job with a lower salary but no travelling.

So if your partner had a job they loved but didn't earn as much as you, you'd expect them to step down/back and take on childcare just because your job is more important better paid ?

I earn a pittance working for a charity doing something I'm passionate about and would say it's a big part of who I am. If my DH suddenly decided that because I earn far less than him that my job isn't important enough to justify to hours I spend out of the house, I'd tell him where to shove it & lose all respect for him. Assuming bills can be paid, salary shouldn't really come into it IMO if you both have jobs/careers you value, then you have to work together to share childcare & family responsibilities regardless of who earns what.

WhatNoRaisins · 13/03/2025 14:06

I think if your DH has help from family and the means to outsource then he should suck it up.

Ceramiq · 13/03/2025 14:06

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 13/03/2025 14:02

This will blow some of your minds......an international officer working at my university will earn between £34k and £38K and they'll be expected to travel regularly and for more than a week at a time! Plus travel will be economy 😂

I think this is a different situation. When you take on a role like international officer at a university, travel IS the job and you know it from the start and you presumably take the job on wanting to spend time travelling internationally. I agree that the salary is low (but salaries in education are low) but the T&C of the role are clear from the outset.

When you have a desk job that requires ad hoc travel, the T&C and logistics are very different.

polishhendo · 13/03/2025 14:06

What's with this assumption you have to bow to every whim of a corporate employer? I have a corporate job and fortunately my employer understands the dynamics of modern life and the reality that both parents work. Travel should never be imposed or demanded, and if it is a frequent requirement for the job, well the job shouldn't have been accepted without discussing first with your other half.

You are allowed to say no to your employer, and if you don't through fear of the implication on your career then clearly you have a poor relationship with your manager/employer. I also agree 40K for a job requiring frequent travel is pretty poor. The median salary across the whole of the UK is 37K, so basically getting a few K more than average for inconveniencing your family life on a regular basis.

Having said that your DH has a pretty poor attitude and has serious issues if you can't broach subjects like this without fear of his reaction.

BlackCatsForever · 13/03/2025 14:07

Am I being really thick? Because I’ve read the OP carefully and I can’t see where she said that her DH does the bulk of the housework.

Bemused the number of posters who seem to think that earning more buys you the right to do less childcare or housework. Surely that should be determined by who is available and who has time?

I mean I’m the higher earner in my household but I work fewer hours and have the the option of flexible working unlike my DH who does shifts. So I do more at home.

When out DC were younger we would have been better off if DH had been a SAHD but I would never have suggested that as his job is important for his mental health.

polishhendo · 13/03/2025 14:07

I'm curious what's your social life/hobbies are like? Do you both get time to yourselves each week, and if so what does that look like exactly?

OneAmberFinch · 13/03/2025 14:10

cranberryhaddock · 13/03/2025 12:56

TIL that £40k is a low salary.

Ah, mumsnet. wry smile

I mean, yeah, it is - for a job that is asking to be a primary job with non-negotiable week-long international travel? Yeah, it is. People should have higher expectations of employers. £40k in 2025 is £22k in 2000 - a grad salary.

That said, OP might not be unreasonable to go as IME you can start getting more substantial pay jumps from this pay level onwards. Perhaps by switching companies or asking for promotions, but also assuming OP isn't in a fixed pay splines kind of job, sometimes also just by flat out asking for more money.

However I'd advise thinking of it with that as a constraint: okay, DH, how can we design a career for me that will pay £60k? What's the path to it? How quickly do I need to get there? If I'm not there by X date, can we re-evaluate our plan?

NImumconfused · 13/03/2025 14:12

babiesinthesnowflakes · 13/03/2025 13:06

Honestly, I do kind of see his point. Ideally if one parent is in a significantly lower paying role then the trade off should be that it allows them the flexibility to do more of the childcare / pick ups and drop offs / general life and family admin etc. This applies whether it’s the mother or the father in the lower paying role.

I do also think the expectations on you are quite unreasonable for a £40k salary. I’m not saying £40k is a bad salary (if all other things are equal) but I’d expect you to be earning more than that for the amount of travel involved. I’m guessing perhaps the pay is lower if it’s quite a competitive industry.

So I don’t know what the solution is, and it does sound like the way he’s handling it is a bit unkind and immature, but I do see where he’s coming from.

Except that even in 2025, it's significantly more likely that it'll be the mother who's in the lower paying role. She'll already have taken a career hit due to maternity leave (and the unspoken assumptions that employers often make about the commitment of working mothers). Prioritising the kids will ensure that he career progression continues to be stunted, while the father can forge ahead. And if the marriage fails and they get divorced, the narrative will be that he was the breadwinner while she just had a little job and hardly contributed.

SerenityNowSerenityNow · 13/03/2025 14:19

When you have a desk job that requires ad hoc travel, the T&C and logistics are very different.
But not insurmountable. Technically my DH's job is a desk job that doesn't require travel. Yet, occasionally he needs to or wants to do something that will be beneficial to his career.

It requires some additional planning but it's really not the drama it's being made out to be by some people.

The OP is travelling for ONE WEEK. Not a month or a year. It's seven days. Her DH needs to get a grip.

MellowPinkDeer · 13/03/2025 14:19

I think there are a few things here. Firstly no, i would not travel for £40K and I wouldn't think my husband would either. So i can understand that aspect of thinking.

What i don't understand ( and never will) how he is making it all about HIM, this is about YOU and your prospects and what YOU want for your future, your career etc and he should be sucking it up and supporting you in whatever YOU want to do.

Trumptonagain · 13/03/2025 14:20

ThejoyofNC · 13/03/2025 12:10

I'm with your DH on this. Your salary is too low to be doing all that. You're expecting him to be the higher earner whilst also doing nearly all the childcare. I'd leave your current job and find employment elsewhere.

I agree with this.

There's a chance it has nothing to do with him being controlling, thick, or a man and more he feels you're being incredibly undervalued.

And, dare I say it, it's not by him either.

M103 · 13/03/2025 14:20

He's massively unreasonable. Don't quit or change your job!!

loveawineloveacrisp · 13/03/2025 14:23

He doesn't value your job and no doubt thinks the woman should do all the childcare and household chores. It's a very selfish attitude. Most jobs do require some travel now and £40k isn't exactly minimum wage. You can hardly do the job 'on your terms' when it's a requirement of the role to do the travelling.

Don't let him talk you out of a job and end up becoming dependent on him.

Historyofwolves · 13/03/2025 14:24

They expect you to do all that travel for £40k?! That's outrageous and they're having a laugh.

I have a similar set up to you but I earn well into 6 figures which I would say only just makes up for the stress. I don't think it's misogynist to suggest your salary is not commensurate with their expectations. I would say that to my DH if that were his job and I think he would agree!

dijonketchup · 13/03/2025 14:27

thepariscrimefiles · 13/03/2025 12:22

£40k is a pretty good contribution to your household finances. Your DH is a misogynistic twat who doesn't understand how being employed in a specified role with duties and responsibilities works. He just wants to control you. He thinks that he is the boss and doesn't like that you have another boss in work that is more important than him.

Absolutely bang on.

blueIKEAbag · 13/03/2025 14:32

I’d say your DH is a self-employed solicitor or similar and you are aspiring in your sales career or similar.

DH and I have earned very unequally over the years but we measure each other on the effort put in, and we make decisions based on our long-term goals for our family.

Haven’t RTFT but I’d say you could probably increase your salary by £10k quite easily by moving jobs, and that he could quite easily be more flexible with his time even if he earns less… thing is, he doesn’t want to…

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