‘Game the system’ disability benefits

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WTF
just read a bbc article about welfare reforms

Apparently ministers think that it’s an incentive to claim disability benefits as the incentive is no work commitments on UC. That claimants ‘game the system’

It’s a long process and really hard to get awarded dla or pip. It’s not just ticking a box that says ‘I’m too sick to work’.

AIBU to think this is just horrific

I have in my line of work yes. Dunno what else you want me to say.

I think the cuts are set in stone now. They were set before we increased the defence budget obligations.

They actually said, they will become sicker, probably due to the stress of it all, not that they would pretend to be sicker

Given we spend more on PIP and DLA alone than our entire military, do you really think we should just ‘fund the increase’? At what point do we say enough is enough? Benefits receive far more than their fair share and frankly people don’t want to work and pay tax for most of it to go to other people and not things we all use.

Of course it will but there will be more funds available to adequately support the people who need it if it’s not being wasted on spongers!! People who need support can’t get it because other people are sapping resources they don’t need.

There’s been countless threads on here about what to put innPIP assessments to meet criteria for mental health conditions, ADHD kids, the lot.

You don't need a diagnosis. There are families who park their kids on screens all day, feed them processed shite, don't potty train, just check out of parenting them, and they claim ADHD or autism symptoms because quite frankly they have delayed their own child. And they get DLA.

If there are more sick and disabled people then that just says to me that the nhs needs more funding as well. You can’t just cut off support to those in most need because you need to make savings

Bits it’s not being cut for those in need it’s being cut for the people that are taking the fucking piss and you should want it to be so.

Paying anxious people to not work isn't 'support'. It's been proven time and time again work is one of the best things for your mental health and sense of productivity and achievement. Support means getting these people back into work.

We just can't afford to pay for everyone who has anxiety and depression not to work, and not working doesn't do those illnesses any good anyway.

The NHS is our biggest expenditure by a long way. It’s a black hole - we spend more and more and yet people just get sicker. It’s not the answer.

You can’t just cut off support to those in most need because you need to make savings

Labour are about to do this

More funds that deserving people can't access because they're rejected at the first hurdle and think well my health can't handle the stress of going through MR and tribunal, I'll just give up.

I was lucky enough to be accepted first time; I can't imagine the stress people go through appealing on top of their existing conditions.

Really? If so that’s shocking. We had involvement and help and referrals for delays from the HV from a very young age they’d have identified if it was due to neglect / poor parenting do these parents not have this kind of involvement??

You don't need a diagnosis for your child to claim DLA, it's on a care needs basis.

My child had a diagnosis of cancer and I still had to prove and provide evidence as to how he had more care needs than a typical child of his age. They don't just take a parents word for it.

Health visiting is not what it uses to be... In some areas you barely ever see a health visitor. Some of those parents do have SS involvement but SS can't stop them parenting like that and angling for disability benefits. Tiktok has not helped this either its all over it

Labour are doing it right now. You don’t seem to understand there is no more money for funding anything.

You can’t get HV involved through too much screen use. They’d be referred to half the kids now.

Sorry I should have said wanting their kids to display symptoms of ND rather than a diagnosis although they want that too.

@Wildflowers99 you automatically get a HV .. usually you have to opt out of them.

I am a taxpayer and very happy for my taxes to go towards PIP even though I have never used nor intent to use the benefits system. I am less happy for my taxes to go towards "military training" that my friend undertakes several times a year as an officer which seems to involve a lot of skiing trips to France and hiking in San Fran. I appreciate that this may be a relatively small proportion of our defence budget but still, it seems rather frivolous when there are more pressing things it could be spent towards. A one week skiing trip for the 20 officers could fund a year of basic rate PIP for 20 disabled people, if not more. And I don't think skiing skills are essential for defence against Putin.

But for delays we had referrals for hearing test/ SALT really quickly and had questions about screen use etc so it was really helpful . I do know of some people who refuse HV though (which i understand as we’ve had a couple of useless ones but equally one amazing one who was so helpful )

A lot of parents don't care as much as you.

People don’t care OP. They’re happy to let their kids go on screens regardless. Not everyone has good motives or is conscientious

I wonder how they will tell the difference though between two people with ND, one who genuinely can't socialise and the other who exaggerates it? Do they just both lose their benefits, with no safety net in place for the one who is genuinely unable? My workplace certainly isn't set up to support people who need a massive amount of support, I doubt many are.
The support needs to be in place first surely, before cuts are made.