‘Game the system’ disability benefits

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WTF
just read a bbc article about welfare reforms

Apparently ministers think that it’s an incentive to claim disability benefits as the incentive is no work commitments on UC. That claimants ‘game the system’

It’s a long process and really hard to get awarded dla or pip. It’s not just ticking a box that says ‘I’m too sick to work’.

AIBU to think this is just horrific

For umpteenth time it goes off how the condition impacts a person not the.diagnois being ND doesn't guarantee anything ascit varies massively from person to person.

Not all but there are many people claiming for neurodiversity who had no problems living without benefits before the eligibility came in. Now they’re eligible, it suddenly has a big effect on their life and they need PIP. And , of course, all self reported. We can’t just give money away on such a tenuous basis. I think a lot of people will massage the facts because who doesn’t want an extra few hundred quid a month, to spend as they wish?

Your ignorance is astounding. How do you know that people had no difficulty living with ND or any other condition before eligibility came in?

The government wouldn't have put PIP in place if there wasn't a need for it in their eyes.

Countless people have explained it isn't just awarded on "self-reporting".

If people claiming these benefits are allegedly " better off" than working tax payers, the fault is with a system that disadvantages the tax payers to benefit their employers, and you are very invested in the bait and switch of a small number if rich people laughing all the way to the bank while both of the other cohorts snipe at each other rather than addressing that herd of pachyderms in the room.

How do they get evidence of how they're affected if according to you they have no problems?

Because it’s self reported and if they are coached to massage the facts, who would actually know?

We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t think my opinion is particularly niche when you look at this thread.

Sadly, no, it isn't. It's indicative of a mindset being nurtured where eugenics by stealth is perceived as perfectly reasonable, and that is indeed terrifying.

I feel like this black-and-white, eugenics/workhouses/freezing to death talk is an absolute straw man because in all my time browsing threads on here, I have never once seen anyone suggest we should have NO welfare state or that we should reintroduce workhouses. It’s emotional accusations designed to monster your opponent, but it won’t work as judging by the votes it’s not uncommon for people to thing there is need for benefit reform.

I said before, I feel a 23k (or thereabouts) cap on a household is more than fair. Nobody not working should get more than the average person who works 40 hours a week. I don’t think that’s at all equivalent to ‘eugenics’, and it’s far more generous than 90% of countries around the world.

"Given a fifth of children will probably have an ADHD diagnosis by adulthood, is this remotely sustainable?"

But, as my post points out, they won't all be eligible for PIP.

You know they don't just take your word for it, right? I was actually told that my evidence was rubbish and not true. My consultant and GP have no reason to lie. Their reports were based on tests I had done

Benefit caps don't usually apply to households that claim disability benefits and for good reason.

I can't work because my child is disabled. I'd much rather be able to work and for my child to not be disabled.

No but PIP will seem like a possibility. Look at how much claims have risen since ND ‘exploded’

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-health-conditions/claim-pip-for-adhd#:~:text=Award%20rates,living%20and%20the%20mobility%20component.&text=98%25%20of%20claimants%20with%20ADHD,who%20get%20the%20mobility%20component.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2020-02-24/debates/87FD9D79-2915-41E2-B2C6-9CC5853D6F19/SocialSecurityBenefitsClaimantDeaths

And according to this PIP claims have increased by over a million people in 4 years. And it’s still rising. Is this sustainable?

£23k? The average disability costs according to Scope is around £1k a month

The government should look at Universal Credit top-ups for working people, not PIP. We have sleepwalked into a situation where employers can get away without paying a living wage because UC will top wages up for people on low incomes. It is the employers taxpayers are subsidising, not the individuals claiming. Sort that out and there would be no need to raid people's disability benefits.

Then the government needs to pay better itself... many people on the lower bands in the NHS get top ups too.

I’m fully aware of how it works, I have claimed it for my children too. But every ND person I'm aware of is either claiming it or in the process of claiming it so I’m not sure what relevance your comment has.

Anyway I feel like I’ve bored everyone rigid on this thread but my final point will be why nobody arguing with me actually addresses the stats and numbers? Here’s another, taken from BBC:

In 2023-24, PIP totalled £18bn and that's projected to almost double to £34bn by 2029-30. That would mean the number of claimants rising from 2.7 million to 4.2 million.

"Not all but there are many people claiming for neurodiversity who had no problems living without benefits before the eligibility came in. Now they’re eligible, it suddenly has a big effect on their life and they need PIP"

What eligibility is this?

And are you basically saying a lot of ND people weren't eligible until they were 🤷‍♀️ And if they are eligible (can demonstrate impact on day to day living etc) then they absolutely should be applying.

It is easier for some posters to overlook that inconvenient truth, and instead to punch down on the vulnerable instead.

Five years ago was the start of the covid pandemic, there will be people that unfortunately ended up with long covid and other disabilities associated with covid.

"I’m fully aware of how it works, I have claimed it for my children too. But every ND person I'm aware of is either claiming it or in the process of claiming it so I’m not sure what relevance your comment has"*

Anecdote is not the singular of evidence or however that old saying goes...

You show me evidence of these agencies and I'll show you evidence that snake oil salesmen will take advantage of vulnerable and desperate people to defraud them of £70 that cannot be chased through the courts. Anyone who claims that they can guarantee that a PIP claim will be approved is lying. Anyone can make a website that claims to sell anything, with fake reviews, the lot. There are companies who will sell you website software for this very purpose.

The 'evidence' is based on someone filling out a form. There's agencies who will do it for you for £70 and guarantee you'll get awarded it

Link to these agencies.