To suspect the "deal" between the US and Russia Greenland for Ukraine?

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The way things are shaping up I'm beginning to think the USAs negotiations with Putin were for USA to stand aside and let Putin have part of Ukraine and for Russia to support the US to take Greenland.

so you can honestly say there have been no cases of corruption or influence and all the Mp's are holy angels ? the point im making reguardless of how the system is ment to be there will be ways it has been corrupted

Of course influence and corruption exists but to a MUCH lesser degree. We do all we can to control it, but it is baked into your systems.

No democracy is perfect but some are better than others and, notwithstanding what may or may occur in 2028, the US's wad already second-teir.

No. Of course not. Everyone has the right "peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for redress of grievances." They can still protest, but they must get a permit and do it on public ground. In the US college campuses are not public areas for legal purposes. Access to them can be legally restricted. Not to mention that it is illegal to block or threaten passersby and this has happened several times with on-campus protests. All they need to do is get a permit and protest on the public sidewalk right outside campus. If they keep it legal they'll be fine.

An executive order was needed to impose less-than-criminal penalties on those doing this. Otherwise the only penalty that could be imposed would be arrest and imprisonment. Legislation will follow, but legislation takes time.

Owen Paterson (Conservative) – Paid Lobbying Scandal (2021)
Geoffrey Cox (Conservative) – Second Job Scandal (2021)
David Cameron (Conservative) – Greensill Lobbying Scandal (2021)
Michelle Mone (Conservative, Baroness) – PPE Contracts Scandal (2020-2022)
Neil Hamilton (Conservative) – Cash for Questions Scandal (1994)
Tim Smith (Conservative) – Cash for Questions Scandal (1994)
Geoff Hoon (Labour) – Cash for Influence Scandal (2010)
Patricia Hewitt (Labour) – Cash for Influence Scandal (2010)
Stephen Byers (Labour) – Cash for Influence Scandal (2010)
David Chaytor (Labour) – Expenses Scandal (2009)
Jim Devine (Labour) – Expenses Scandal (2009)
Elliot Morley (Labour) – Expenses Scandal (2009)

The difference is that our system isn’t set up to make corruption the norm. And discipline is applied when MPs break the rules.

Feel free to review the primary source of The Democracy Index (I would encourage it) but the wiki is easier to share and digest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

but whos to say the uk just cover it up better than the usa ?

That's it really when it comes down to it - Europe/the UK just want someone to support and protect them. Happy to turn a blind eye to what the US was doing in parts of the world when they were doing your job for you. Now you seem happy to turn a blind eye to China's horrendous human rights abuses if they'll come look after you.
Starting to think you lot are the worst of the lot - just completely morally bankrupt whilst acting all superior.

Our scandals would be your norms.

Your norms would be our largest scandals.

yea, you could be right about that

It’s part of the system in the US. It isn’t in the UK.

But Trump has not specified what he means with 'illegal' protests

Are you suggesting it is just about punishment? A reason to stop university funding?

well its possible,

its been good debating with you all, apologies if ive been annoying but the debates have been apricated

It’s a fact.

not unless you have surveillance on every Mp and can fully prove no corruption etc then its a fact

What part of it’s a legitimate part of the US system don’t you understand?

When is there going to be an investigation into Jared Kushner and his dealings with Saudi - conflict of interest???

It's a trite and absurd argument, though.

Perfection not being realistically possible does not mean "bad" and "good" are the same.

If anyone was claiming the UK's democracy is 100% free of all corruption and influence then highlighting instances of either would be worthwhile and reasonable, but nobody is making that claim. We are simply saying that the US's system has made its politicians extremely beholden to the interests of the wealthy (which I think most Americans would admit) to a scale which is far outside the norm for democracies and had significantly undermines it's validity.

https://x.com/coffeytimenews/status/1897685506323796358?s=46&t=7uZ5GLraCHnmbl4o9C79gA

this is amazing!

Quite.

Trump’s backed down on the tariffs he’s imposed on Mexico and Canada - knew he would because he doesn’t understand how they work.

To impose non-criminal penalties. Otherwise, the only way to stop them would be to send the cops in to arrest people. The EO imposes a financial penalty on the uni if they fail to move the protests off campus. It also states that the foreign students who protest on campus are subject to deportation, however they are free to protest off campus if they wish. Also, they may not cover their faces, because we've already arrested at least one known terrorist at an on-campus protest, so we must be able to scan the crowd with facial recognition equipment for security purposes.

It's not Trump that backed down. Legal exports to the US are 40% of Mexico's economy, and Trudeau had tears in his eyes this morning while making a statement about them. But Trump backed down, sure.

It is illegal to protest on college campuses. Protests, by law, must take place on public property, and college campuses are not public property. Access to them can be legally restricted, so by statute, these have all been illegal protests.

They can protest right outside campus as long as they get a permit from the city so the local cops know to be there to keep order. I imagine most every European country has a similar law.