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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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DuncinToffee · 07/03/2025 15:37

Trump says he’s considering large-scale sanctions on Russia after it attacked Ukraine last night.

Which Trump caused by cancelling intelligence sharing with Ukraine.

kungfoofighting · 07/03/2025 15:43

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2025 15:37

Trump says he’s considering large-scale sanctions on Russia after it attacked Ukraine last night.

Which Trump caused by cancelling intelligence sharing with Ukraine.

Is this for the benefit of people who don’t read beyond headlines?

So they’re helping Russia while making noises that suggest the opposite

… It’s like retailers doubling their prices a couple of weeks before Black Friday

JazzyJelly · 07/03/2025 16:22

Tusk has just announced a plan to train all Polish men for military service.

Can't blame Poland for being twitchy!

justasking111 · 07/03/2025 16:39

JazzyJelly · 07/03/2025 16:22

Tusk has just announced a plan to train all Polish men for military service.

Can't blame Poland for being twitchy!

They're lovely people.

Pinkmoth · 07/03/2025 16:39

kungfoofighting · 07/03/2025 15:43

Is this for the benefit of people who don’t read beyond headlines?

So they’re helping Russia while making noises that suggest the opposite

… It’s like retailers doubling their prices a couple of weeks before Black Friday

I don’t know, I don’t think it’s to mislead us I think Trump is getting irritated that his GREAT PLAN, that plan where he holds all the cards is not happening 😂 I think he was under the impression he was in charge and Zelenskyy told him to his face (I loved the ‘I’m not playing cards. I’m very serious’) and not backing down and who knows what Putin is up to but he’s not exactly doing as he’s told either clearly. I can see that great friendship between two narcissists going well 🤔

justasking111 · 07/03/2025 16:41

Darker · 07/03/2025 15:10

JFK is a conspiracy theorist.

There's plenty of those to go around.

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2025 16:44

justasking111 · 07/03/2025 16:41

There's plenty of those to go around.

Not many are leading the department of health and human services

Assuming Darker meant RFK jr rather than JFK

JazzyJelly · 07/03/2025 16:55

justasking111 · 07/03/2025 16:39

They're lovely people.

I'm sure they are, I was being serious. Poland suffered terribly in WW2 and I don't blame them in the slightest for being concerned about Russia.

Wildflowers99 · 07/03/2025 17:01

Sorry if this has already been raised but Poland announced today they’re going to train all men in military skills.

Darker · 07/03/2025 17:51

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2025 16:44

Not many are leading the department of health and human services

Assuming Darker meant RFK jr rather than JFK

Oops - yes I did!

Crakajak · 07/03/2025 20:01

Fully agree. Who is facts checking the fact checkers. The So called BBC fact checkers have been checked themselves several times and have been caught spinning fake narratives so hey!! Anyway, it seems that Zelenski, a deeply unpopular dictator in his homeland, is thankfully being forced to the negotiation table by the combined pressure of Putin and Trump, both of whom are strictly business and as they say war is bad for business. Hopefully many lives will now be saved. Any bored mom's on here wanting other than peace and boys being able to return home to their worried families need to give their heads a wobble.

Darker · 07/03/2025 20:09

War is very good for certain businesses. And can be very bad for human rights.

Petuniaspetal · 07/03/2025 20:11

Crakajak · 07/03/2025 20:01

Fully agree. Who is facts checking the fact checkers. The So called BBC fact checkers have been checked themselves several times and have been caught spinning fake narratives so hey!! Anyway, it seems that Zelenski, a deeply unpopular dictator in his homeland, is thankfully being forced to the negotiation table by the combined pressure of Putin and Trump, both of whom are strictly business and as they say war is bad for business. Hopefully many lives will now be saved. Any bored mom's on here wanting other than peace and boys being able to return home to their worried families need to give their heads a wobble.

You really have it in for the BBC don't you. So do most people so you can stop carping on about them....on that point you probably won't get much of a debate going.

Please share your source for the 'deeply unpopular Zelensky' comment because as much as you decry the BBC...some of the utter nonsense you've come out with so far doesn't instil alot of trust or faith in your so called 'facts' so uit will be interesting to see who your sources are...comrade. 😃

Crakajak · 07/03/2025 20:36

Petuniaspetal · 07/03/2025 20:11

You really have it in for the BBC don't you. So do most people so you can stop carping on about them....on that point you probably won't get much of a debate going.

Please share your source for the 'deeply unpopular Zelensky' comment because as much as you decry the BBC...some of the utter nonsense you've come out with so far doesn't instil alot of trust or faith in your so called 'facts' so uit will be interesting to see who your sources are...comrade. 😃

You did not reply to my stance on peace. Can we at least agree peace on any terms is amazing news. It means less deaths. As a mother surely you will agree with peace?

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2025 20:37

Anyway, it seems that Zelenski, a deeply unpopular dictator in his homeland

Can you back up that claim @Crakajak ?

BIossomtoes · 07/03/2025 20:40

Crakajak · 07/03/2025 20:36

You did not reply to my stance on peace. Can we at least agree peace on any terms is amazing news. It means less deaths. As a mother surely you will agree with peace?

No, peace on any terms isn’t amazing news. Peace on terms that are fair to Ukraine and don’t make a mockery of all the lives already lost would be amazing.

wholettheturnipsburn · 07/03/2025 20:49

Crakajak · 07/03/2025 20:01

Fully agree. Who is facts checking the fact checkers. The So called BBC fact checkers have been checked themselves several times and have been caught spinning fake narratives so hey!! Anyway, it seems that Zelenski, a deeply unpopular dictator in his homeland, is thankfully being forced to the negotiation table by the combined pressure of Putin and Trump, both of whom are strictly business and as they say war is bad for business. Hopefully many lives will now be saved. Any bored mom's on here wanting other than peace and boys being able to return home to their worried families need to give their heads a wobble.

"Bored mom's" (sic)

FFS

wholettheturnipsburn · 07/03/2025 20:52

Zelenskyy isn't a dictator

Zelenskyy isn't unpopular (other than to maga morons)

How much pain and bloodshed for poor Ukrainians condemned to life under occupation, due to psychopaths Willie waving.

@Crakajak your posts and not very nice and you're quite a silly wee sausage

SinnerBoy · 07/03/2025 20:59

caringcarer · 05/03/2025 12:06

The US has paid more than all other countries put together.

Would you like a fire extinguisher for your pantaloons based conflagration?

Crakajak · 07/03/2025 21:00

My posts are full of respect and peace. Only moms on here are furious for some inane reason. Regardless

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2025 21:11

Crakajak · 07/03/2025 21:00

My posts are full of respect and peace. Only moms on here are furious for some inane reason. Regardless

Your peace is giving Russia what they want, just like Trump and Putin

You are not a mom?

Isabellivi · 07/03/2025 21:36

Yes, I am an American and as Ron Paul said “foreign aid is taking money from poor people (ie, working peoples taxes) and giving it to wealthy politically connected in other countries”.

Most Americans are opposed to meddling in foreign wars. It never ends! Economically it is bankrolled by printing money out of thin air which is a tax on the poor (inflationary Monterey policy disproportionately hurts the most vulnerable of our citizens)

We don’t want to police the world while we send future generations so far into debt we may never recover as an intact nation!!

From a moral standpoint, the creation of the US army was controversial. US was never supposed to have a standing army. This was our founding fathers fear based on what happened with British empire and Bank of England financing an unsustainable military empire while taxing common people into ruin.

China has more billionaires than any other country. Why don’t rich Chinese help Europe? Because they are too busy expanding their military and building military bases and debt traps in Africa. This is a much bigger threat and they are allied with Moscow.

in other words this is a ruse. A trap. To weaken US military on endless nonsense while they build their military and nuclear arsenals with silence and complicity from the media.

Meanwhile the national debt is owned by China. If US doesn’t cut spending and these ruses in distant nations we won’t have a country. It’s economic suicide.

Do you want an all powerful Chinese military meddling in other countries affairs? That is the plan of the Chinese Communist Party. One Belt One Road leads through Asian straight to Europe

America need a national defense on US soil. Or in the future there won’t be a western civilization for you to complain about !

Petuniaspetal · 07/03/2025 21:49

Crakajak · 07/03/2025 20:36

You did not reply to my stance on peace. Can we at least agree peace on any terms is amazing news. It means less deaths. As a mother surely you will agree with peace?

Putin has no intention of agreeing peace. He has an agenda and nothing will deter him from it. Whatever he agrees today he will renege on, as he has done many times before, at a later date. He will only use any intervening time to rearm and prepare for the next onslaught.
Putin is a ruthless murderer, the Salisbury killings, Alexander Litvenenko, Navalny murders, to name a few, demonstrate his audacity to openly murder his enemies on foreign land.
Noone wants war but don't underestimate Putins desire to accomplish his objectives.

SinnerBoy · 07/03/2025 22:06

Petuniaspetal · 05/03/2025 19:19

Like a fiddle.

A balalaika, playing the Volga Boat Song, followed by Kalinka.