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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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GiraffesAtThePark · 06/03/2025 08:16

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 02:30

You do your research, he is not as squeaky clean as he makes out. Our money should be spent at home on the NHS, pensioners, education and also the government are now making cuts to welfare. Charity begins at home imo

What about our defence since Russia is invading Europe? It’s rather naive to just ignore Russia and Putin’s actions. If he’s allowed to do what he wants where does it end?

tommyhoundmum · 06/03/2025 08:28

Petuniaspetal · 05/03/2025 19:14

I will add that Putin for all his ideology about Russia lives in vast mansion and has more money that several oligarchs put together, so let's not enter into this false narrative about Zelensky.. Zelenskys 'wealth' hasn't come about from him grifting war monies ....but trump and putin have bled their own citizens whilst living in the lap of luxury.

Zelenski was a sucessful comedian before he was voted president.

kungfoofighting · 06/03/2025 08:35

tommyhoundmum · 06/03/2025 08:28

Zelenski was a sucessful comedian before he was voted president.

He was also the lead producer of the TV channel ‘Inter’ until 2012

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:37

GiraffesAtThePark · 06/03/2025 08:16

What about our defence since Russia is invading Europe? It’s rather naive to just ignore Russia and Putin’s actions. If he’s allowed to do what he wants where does it end?

He is very ill, rumour is he has either cancer or heart disease and I have noticed his hands are very swollen which is a sign which I have seen before. He uses lookalikes all the time now because he is ill. Nobody lives forever and he will die soon.
A lot of generals want him dead and the Russian billionaires want him gone it’s only a matter of time. It does worry me he might lash out with a missile at the UK so if Starmer decides to put our troops on the ground it is like poking the Russian bear. I studied Russian history at uni it’s very interesting. They are so close to us genetically we use Russian hair for hair extensions. I have some clip in ones and they come from Russia. Some poor woman has sold her hair for money. His people are suffering because of the sanctions and they want him gone as well. Sorry to ramble on but I am very interested in Russian history

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 08:44

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:37

He is very ill, rumour is he has either cancer or heart disease and I have noticed his hands are very swollen which is a sign which I have seen before. He uses lookalikes all the time now because he is ill. Nobody lives forever and he will die soon.
A lot of generals want him dead and the Russian billionaires want him gone it’s only a matter of time. It does worry me he might lash out with a missile at the UK so if Starmer decides to put our troops on the ground it is like poking the Russian bear. I studied Russian history at uni it’s very interesting. They are so close to us genetically we use Russian hair for hair extensions. I have some clip in ones and they come from Russia. Some poor woman has sold her hair for money. His people are suffering because of the sanctions and they want him gone as well. Sorry to ramble on but I am very interested in Russian history

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Where do you get your news from? You already shared one Kremlin friendly news outlet

Hair grows back unlike limbs.

user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 08:44

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:37

He is very ill, rumour is he has either cancer or heart disease and I have noticed his hands are very swollen which is a sign which I have seen before. He uses lookalikes all the time now because he is ill. Nobody lives forever and he will die soon.
A lot of generals want him dead and the Russian billionaires want him gone it’s only a matter of time. It does worry me he might lash out with a missile at the UK so if Starmer decides to put our troops on the ground it is like poking the Russian bear. I studied Russian history at uni it’s very interesting. They are so close to us genetically we use Russian hair for hair extensions. I have some clip in ones and they come from Russia. Some poor woman has sold her hair for money. His people are suffering because of the sanctions and they want him gone as well. Sorry to ramble on but I am very interested in Russian history

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This is like having a conversation with a 3 year old. You've gone from Zelenskyy's alleged real estate holdings to neighbours who didn't like their Ukrainian houseguests to clip in hair extensions and you think this is a logical argument?

The Russian people are cold and starved and fed a constant stream of disinformation, and the ones who speak out die mysteriously in prison. The are completely captured by the disinformation constantly fed to them. Nine out of ten approved of his actions last month. Russian billionaires do not want him gone because their wealth is tied to him (they mostly have it because of him) and there's a very good possibility they would lose it under any new regime.

wholettheturnipsburn · 06/03/2025 08:45

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Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:50

user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 08:44

This is like having a conversation with a 3 year old. You've gone from Zelenskyy's alleged real estate holdings to neighbours who didn't like their Ukrainian houseguests to clip in hair extensions and you think this is a logical argument?

The Russian people are cold and starved and fed a constant stream of disinformation, and the ones who speak out die mysteriously in prison. The are completely captured by the disinformation constantly fed to them. Nine out of ten approved of his actions last month. Russian billionaires do not want him gone because their wealth is tied to him (they mostly have it because of him) and there's a very good possibility they would lose it under any new regime.

I KNOW THIS. sorry the caps were locked on my phone anyways I am off to work now. Catch up later 👋

BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 08:55

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:50

I KNOW THIS. sorry the caps were locked on my phone anyways I am off to work now. Catch up later 👋

You must be exhausted. You’ve had so little sleep.

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:56

BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 08:55

You must be exhausted. You’ve had so little sleep.

I live abroad😀

BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 09:04

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Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 09:05

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Wrong again😀

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BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 09:07

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 09:05

Wrong again😀

Which bit? It’s what you’ve posted.

HopeMumsnet · 06/03/2025 09:17

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HopeMumsnet · 06/03/2025 09:19

Hi all,
Could we knock trying to locate where MNers live on the head, please? This thread does seem to have become rather personal - perhaps it would be wise for everyone to take a step back? Or maybe discuss the latest news about the Russian war on Ukraine and the response of President Trump?

BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 09:25

Sorry @HopeMumsnet but I really don’t see how the guidelines were contravened by those deleted posts.

MellersSmellers · 06/03/2025 09:33

Yes. Ukrainians will die as a direct result of the lack of US intelligence on drone and missile attacks. Shame on him.
I'm gob-smacked he thinks he could be a candidate foe the Nobel Peace Prize the way he's acting.

HopeMumsnet · 06/03/2025 09:36

Hi there,
You're very welcome to contact us to discuss it @blossomtoes.

BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 09:41

Thank you. I appreciate that.

AllTheTreesOfTheField · 06/03/2025 11:02

The emergency EU summit will soon be underway. We'll have to hope for unity in defence spending.

cardibach · 06/03/2025 11:20

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 02:27

Someone else who doesn’t want to help the Ukraine. Not all countries want to get involved in this war

Nobody WANTS to. It’s just inevitable if we don’t want to make matters worse than they already are. Inevitable unless Putin stops, of course. He can end the war tomorrow if he wants. He wouldn’t even get any political blowback because what he says goes.
Also, much as I dislike Meloni, I’m going to have to defend her on this one. She does want to help. There’s more than one way of helping. https://www.governo.it/en/articolo/president-meloni-meets-president-zelensky-ukraine/27795
Her comment on Italian troops is really quite specific.

President Meloni meets with President Zelensky of Ukraine

The President of the Council of Ministers, Giorgia Meloni, met with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, in the margins of the leaders’ summit hosted by the United Kingdom in London. The meeting provided an opportunity to reiterate Italy’s sup...

https://www.governo.it/en/articolo/president-meloni-meets-president-zelensky-ukraine/27795

cardibach · 06/03/2025 11:26

HopeMumsnet · 06/03/2025 09:19

Hi all,
Could we knock trying to locate where MNers live on the head, please? This thread does seem to have become rather personal - perhaps it would be wise for everyone to take a step back? Or maybe discuss the latest news about the Russian war on Ukraine and the response of President Trump?

Any chance you could knock the rampant misinformation here (and on other threads) on the head with deletion? I know people challenge it, but that’s not good enough. It’s well known that repetition of misinformation leads people to begin to think there must be some truth in it. Can you delete it immediately you see it/it’s reported please?

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 11:31

I think this is called Trump Derangement Syndrome

cardibach · 06/03/2025 11:36

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 11:31

I think this is called Trump Derangement Syndrome

Your condition where you can’t see any faults with him? Yes,I think you may be correct.

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