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The tide is turning on Trump

471 replies

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:30

  1. CNN now, poll shows majority of Americans disapprove of Trump.
  1. Commentator stated that Trump spoke about his several conversations with Putin and alarm bells ring, because Trump is parroting what Putin says. No independent thoughts?
  1. He comes over as having memory problems. He forgets what he said earlier.
  1. He needs help running press conferences and appears unable to manage without support.

Is he ill?

It's very odd.

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YankTank · 04/03/2025 14:41

Kendodd · 04/03/2025 14:33

And what if America just refuses to pay? I could quite see Trump declaring those debts illegitimate and writing them off. What happens then? Anyone know?

I would love to see Trump and JD declare that the bonds were not loans, and were gifts! 🍿

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 14:45

BloominNora · 04/03/2025 13:41

Economically it's very scary. I've been keeping a eye on the stock prices. FTSE100 and the European markets are all doing really well.

The Dow is tanking off the back of tariffs and the uncertainty.

Add into the mix large scale unemployment, reductions in social security and medicaid and increased tax burdens on lower and middle classes (if Project 2025 is fully implemented), plus the tax breaks for the super rich - it's got all the makings of another 1920's Depression.

Erm, you might want to look again at the FTSE, DAX, CAC40 etc. They've all shit the bed since the US woke up. In most cases they are actually doing worse than the DJIA.

Pensions are going to be hammered.

Porcelainpig · 04/03/2025 14:49

Why do people keep voting for senile men to be president? How was that ever going to end well.

Kendodd · 04/03/2025 15:07

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 14:40

If they simply said "we will not pay out on t-bills owned by nationals and institutions from countries X, Y, Z" then it would certainly affect the US's credit rating and obviously make it harder for the government to borrow money on the international markets. However, the majority of US debt is owned by US institutions, so I imagine the effect would be limited. It would however greatly undermine the status of USD as the world's reserve currency.

And if the USD stops being world's reserve currency, well how does that affect ordinary Americans?
Thank you for answering these questions btw because I really have no idea.

BloominNora · 04/03/2025 15:23

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 14:45

Erm, you might want to look again at the FTSE, DAX, CAC40 etc. They've all shit the bed since the US woke up. In most cases they are actually doing worse than the DJIA.

Pensions are going to be hammered.

The drop in the UK and European markets today are just a mild correction following the jump in defence stocks yesterday and in some response to the American markets - over the last five days FTSE100 is up 1.22%, DAX and CAC are both slightly down - less than 1% - hardly shitting the bed!

In contrast the Dow is down 2.73% and the S&P is down 3.99%.

The European markets have generally been doing better in the past 12 months too - even with the huge gains that the S&P has seen - results for the past year are: Dow - up 8.92% , S&P up 11.83%, DAX up 26.40%, FTSE up 14.65%, IBEX up 29.52% and STOXX up 9.63%*

*Caveat of this data being checked at 3:15pm with the acknowledgment that markets can change in an instant!

But yes - its not good for pensions!

(or my S&S ISA which is largely invested in tech 😥)

CaveMum · 04/03/2025 15:43

Today's "Pod Save America" and "TRIP US" podcasts are well worth a listen for those who like to keep up with events - as much as it is possible to.

Noshowlomo · 04/03/2025 16:44

In the last few weeks, on instagram and Facebook most posts about trump and/or Ukraine have responses which are extremely pro America/Trump.
In the last two days it’s been completely the opposite. One comment saying US must be regretting their actions had about 30k likes!
Trump has really fucked it for himself. The only one supporting him soon will be the knuckle draggers

Workaholic22 · 04/03/2025 16:58

YankTank · 04/03/2025 14:06

Trump’s barometer for success is whether the stock market is up or down—he’s always banging on about it. I wonder what his next move will be if the DOW continues to dip.

He’ll blame Zelenskyy for sure.

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 17:10

Noshowlomo · 04/03/2025 16:44

In the last few weeks, on instagram and Facebook most posts about trump and/or Ukraine have responses which are extremely pro America/Trump.
In the last two days it’s been completely the opposite. One comment saying US must be regretting their actions had about 30k likes!
Trump has really fucked it for himself. The only one supporting him soon will be the knuckle draggers

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The optics were terrible. I think it’s easier for the MAGA lot when Trump is attacking a faceless ‘group’ - trans people (regardless of your opinion of them), federal workers, immigrants. It’s harder when they actually have to watch him engage in deeply uncomfortable bullying behaviour toward a solitary individual, live on TV and with the backing of his Rottweiler Vance. Especially when the person in question looks exhausted and full of dread.

Even the Daily Mail lot, who have been peddling the Zelenskyy-dictator-missing-billions guff, have turned on Trump and the general view is what a bully he is when backed up with cameras and his yes men.

sidebirds · 04/03/2025 17:14

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:30

  1. CNN now, poll shows majority of Americans disapprove of Trump.
  1. Commentator stated that Trump spoke about his several conversations with Putin and alarm bells ring, because Trump is parroting what Putin says. No independent thoughts?
  1. He comes over as having memory problems. He forgets what he said earlier.
  1. He needs help running press conferences and appears unable to manage without support.

Is he ill?

It's very odd.

CNN poll? 🤔 Seems a neutral source. BBC in agreement? 😂😂😂

ImmediateReaction · 04/03/2025 17:44

sidebirds · 04/03/2025 17:14

CNN poll? 🤔 Seems a neutral source. BBC in agreement? 😂😂😂

No comment on whether Trump is ill then? No comment on his latest ramblings.

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BruFord · 04/03/2025 17:50

@ImmediateReaction If he were found to be ill and had to step down, the V-P would serve the rest of his term….

Catsandcheese · 04/03/2025 17:52

Trump tweeted a very long time ago that any president presiding over a 2000 point fall in the Dow Jones should be impeached.
I hope that comes back to bite him.
It fell 650 points yesterday and is down a further 645 today.
By the end of tomorrow he could be hoisted by his own petard.
The market chaos is what got rid of Liz Truss.

JHound · 04/03/2025 17:58

I see he now wants to ban campus protests, deport foreign students who partake and expell domestic students who do.

I think that will be popular but I also never want to hear a conservative talk about the right to protest and free speech again.

Mrsbloggz · 04/03/2025 18:09

he now wants to ban campus protests
Countdown to a US 'Tiananmen Square' incident

Motorroller · 04/03/2025 18:09

ZebedeeDougalFlorence · 04/03/2025 08:34

I will never forgive Joe Biden. He and his team should never have gone for a second term and should have been succession planning. It is ridiculous that we all thought that Kamala Harris had a chance in hell of winning when she had only been campaigning for months while Trump had years of propaganda/campaigning behind him.

The type of person that would vote for Trump wouldn’t have voted Democrat whatever they did. Trump is a convicted sexual abuser and felon who incited a violent insurrection, denied it, and then pardoned those who had been involved. That’s just a taster of the known unforgivable acts he’s committed. People voting for him are too far gone for ‘a different candidate.’

Motorroller · 04/03/2025 18:11

Catsandcheese · 04/03/2025 17:52

Trump tweeted a very long time ago that any president presiding over a 2000 point fall in the Dow Jones should be impeached.
I hope that comes back to bite him.
It fell 650 points yesterday and is down a further 645 today.
By the end of tomorrow he could be hoisted by his own petard.
The market chaos is what got rid of Liz Truss.

Me too, but impeachment’s nothing to him, even when he’s convicted of felonies it doesn’t touch him. His supporters award him with a presidency.

Catsandcheese · 04/03/2025 18:23

Absolutely right @Motorroller but it's another example of his arrogance and stupidity. Eventually something has got to stick, surely.

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 18:26

Mrsbloggz · 04/03/2025 18:09

he now wants to ban campus protests
Countdown to a US 'Tiananmen Square' incident

They already had that. Google Kent State protest. The National Guard fired on unarmed students at a Vietnam war protest killing four of them and wounding many others.

JHound · 04/03/2025 18:29

ZebedeeDougalFlorence · 04/03/2025 08:34

I will never forgive Joe Biden. He and his team should never have gone for a second term and should have been succession planning. It is ridiculous that we all thought that Kamala Harris had a chance in hell of winning when she had only been campaigning for months while Trump had years of propaganda/campaigning behind him.

Imagine Trump causing a shitshow and you choosing to blame Biden for it.

Jesus wept.

twinklystar23 · 04/03/2025 18:43

Fingers crossed but its going to take a challenging conversation to get hin to u turn on his decision to freeze aid for ukraine. The only carrot is ukraines minerals all these greedy fuckers give a shit against. The man is no statesman hes just thrown a tantrum due to the oval office spectacle. So there will have to be much ego stroking as doubt he will easily reverse if at all this recent decision. Perhaps it could be suggested he clearly wants peace and that war criminal in Russia could also cease bombing ukraine whilst "peace negotiations" prevail. Putin must be delighting in this.

BruFord · 04/03/2025 19:01

Catsandcheese · 04/03/2025 17:52

Trump tweeted a very long time ago that any president presiding over a 2000 point fall in the Dow Jones should be impeached.
I hope that comes back to bite him.
It fell 650 points yesterday and is down a further 645 today.
By the end of tomorrow he could be hoisted by his own petard.
The market chaos is what got rid of Liz Truss.

@Catsandcheese If Trump goes, Vance takes over, it won’t trigger a complete change in leadership nor lead to an early election.
I much prefer the British system.

YankTank · 04/03/2025 19:39

Catsandcheese · 04/03/2025 17:52

Trump tweeted a very long time ago that any president presiding over a 2000 point fall in the Dow Jones should be impeached.
I hope that comes back to bite him.
It fell 650 points yesterday and is down a further 645 today.
By the end of tomorrow he could be hoisted by his own petard.
The market chaos is what got rid of Liz Truss.

It’s different here though—a UK party can have a vote of no confidence. No such thing in the US—the President holds office until the next election.

YankTank · 04/03/2025 19:44

Mrsbloggz · 04/03/2025 18:09

he now wants to ban campus protests
Countdown to a US 'Tiananmen Square' incident

Which is exactly why I’ll be on annual leave, dragging my ass to Windsor to protest when he comes for his Royal Visit—just like I went to Blenheim when he met Theresa May there in 2018 and London when he met the Queen in 2019. Starting to get boring now.

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 04/03/2025 19:49

I was hoping there would be protests about his state visit. If I can be there I will. He's disgusting and I don't want to just sit quietly when he's here.

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