To be jealous of everyone getting slim in weight loss jabs while I get fatter !

[Sundayslump]

Okay - lighthearted ? Maybe.

I’ve been lucky to grow up and be a size 10 . Had a baby at 27. Lost all the weight but my body changed. Baby 2 , again gained 4 stone but I’ve always kept the last stone. I am now 12/14 uk.

I work full time and have two children . I eat healthy for the most part and walk and exercise. When I am super strict which feels so much harder at 40 I am a size 12 but unlike in my 30s it seems so much harder to lose weight now . I feel crap in my clothes and I wish and dream of being a size 10. Call me pathetic !

My brother and his wife , twos sisters and their husbands , work colleagues and a few of my good friends who were never obese but had a few stone to lose are all taking weight loss jabs. They have all lost around 2/3/4 stone and are all now looking fab . All the women are now in size 8 jeans and I am jealous. I sound pathetic . None of these ladies were any bigger than a 14/16 to start with.

I totally understand these jabs are so life changing for so many people who need them but it seems in my life everyone has taken them and gone from a 14/16 to a size 8/6 size Uk and I can’t help but feel like if I just bloody jump on the bandwagon I will feel good, feel happy and be slim.

Now everyone around me is so slim I feel ever more aware of my size .

I want to state I exercise and do eat a healthy diet . I have just found after two babies and getting older unless I basically stick to 1200 calories a day I can’t maintain a size 12.
Ahhhhhh. Sorry for sounding so so so vain.

Oh FGS, that was the point, it wasn't gluttony for gluttony's sake! Seriously, some people don't get it and frankly if they can't be empathetic that not everyone can think and feel like them then really you should get out of the conversation. You are just cruel and shaming people has never helped anyone loose weight.

The thing I find the most unpleasant on threads like these, are the number of people that come on to say ‘don’t worry, they’ll put at all back on, and more!’ Someone has even said ‘you’ll have the last laugh’ to op. It’s fucking insane that people are waiting, rubbing their hands together with glee for the fatties to gain all the weight back (and more on top!). I can’t believe there are people so eaten up with jealousy that others are gaining the ‘skinny privilege’, that they’re absolutely desperate for people to get back to an extremely unhealthy state. Fucking unpleasant to say the least.

I am not sure if this is the right place to post this but since there is debate about when obesity is likely to be a factor, I have just read a book by Prof Roy Taylor about diabetes, where he points out that many people newly diagnosed with type 2 are not obese or even necessarily overweight. So it was thought that maybe weight wasn’t a factor for them in developing the condition.

However Prof Taylor decided to try weight loss as a strategy with some of those patients and losing a significant amount really helped their condition which for many went into remission. He found that although those patients had a technically normal bmi at the time of developing type 2, they were generally heavier than they had been in their 20s.

He suggests that people have a ‘personal fat threshold’ beyond which their body can no longer store extra fat without developing insulin resistance and ending up with fat deposits in liver (and pancreas iirc) causing diabetes. It’s already known that some ethnicities tend to develop problems like diabetes at lower weights or thresholds. So if you have a very low personal fat threshold before problems develop I guess you’re a bit unlucky.

I’m sure she knows this

This is why she is now using medication to help her

I completely understand your situation. I am a long term sufferer of bulimia/ binge eating disorder, and whilst it's more under control since children the constant preoccupation with food and weight is exhausting. I hoped that using ozempic would make the battle to stay slim less of an effort but so far ( 2 weeks in, early days) I don't feel any different. I don't know whether to persevere or if it's going to just be a costly waste of time. I admit I feel envious of the newly slim too, mostly of their ability to live their lives without intrusive food clamour. xx

That was me, it was just a figure of speech. I don’t actively want people to regain the weight, I was just speculating about the possible consequences which may affect me for one if I take the drug. I am aiming for that skinny privilege called survival or seeing my child grow up.

I really think if we chatted you’d not find my attitudes unpleasant or probably those of others on the thread.

It was a really horrible figure of speech to use when referring to someone getting back to an extremely unhealthy state.

Ah, finally something we agree on. With bariatric surgery it just physically stops you being able to consume any quantity of food. But it doesn't work on a hormonal level, or affect insulin, so your appetite is still very much present. And you read the examples of people liquidizing Mars Bars etc because the junk cravings are still raging.

There's also huge amounts of research being conducted into how the stomach & gut biome affects appetite (and interestingly your mental health). So I'm unsure that removing a large portion of your stomach, or just clamping it off, is the most effective way to help you lose weight?

Also @SwingTheMonkey, OP was I thought talking about the many people using the drug who are not that overweight and not in an extremely unhealthy state.

Either way, trust me I do not want regain to be an issue with these jabs. I just fear it is, as it is with all weight loss but perhaps particularly if these cause a higher rate of muscle loss even than normal weight loss.

Nice one, you're now breaching talk guidelines, nice to see the cover breaking, kind of wish your comment could stand so people can see the hatred and disgust that many have towards obese people but I'd rather you get deleted and hopefully warned not to be so vile in future.

She referred to people who were ‘only a size 14-16’, which might very well mean that they are obese, which is extremely unhealthy.

Well it might which is fair, I hadn’t really considered that but in any case it really was just a casual figure of speech with no ill intent. I am very sorry if it came across otherwise, I will be more careful in future especially online where tone and expression are not there to give context.

The gastric sleeve and the gastric biomass do affect hormones which is why they are so effective. The gastric band doesn’t and that’s the one where some people liquidise Mars bars.

Yes the person I know did indeed liquidise unhealthy food. Which just goes to show there’s no point just treating the physical without also considering the psychological reasons we overeat or eat stuff we know is bad for us (including myself in the “we”).

Of course one obvious reason is it tastes great! But it’s more complex than that

I don’t think someone who is a size 14 is likely to be “extremely unhealthy”.

A bit unhealthy yes but not extremely so though they could technically fall into the obese category.

I'm size 14 and BMI 22, I am 5'10" so no, not all 14s are obese

When I was a size 14, my bmi was high enough to put me well into obese category. It is extremely unhealthy to be obese, that is just a fact, I’m afraid.

Yes, it is so complex. One of the best side effects of my taking MJ is that it has virtually eliminated my chronic sweet tooth, which at certain times of the month was overwhelming. The amount of chocolate I could consume was shocking.

That's how I can tell that MJ is working on a physiological level for me, and not just through suppressing my appetite. Because even when I'm feeling hungry I do not fancy sweet foods or chocolate, ever.

Well you are wrong.

I was obese at size 14 (5 foot 4) and had a cholesterol level of 8.2 requiring statins.

I am now (after months of WLI) a healthy BMI and have been able to come off statins under supervision. I take a small dose of Mounjaro to maintain.

People have a very twisted idea of what a healthy weight looks like.

Yes but nobody has said all size 14 people are obese?

Yes I did say someone could fall into the obese category at size 14 but they would only just fall into it. They would be nowhere near morbidly obese.

I don’t agree that size 14 people are likely to be “extremely unhealthy” but we will have to agree to disagree on that.

Size 14 is not a universally agreed measurement in any case. It doesn't make sense to try and draw any conclusions about obesity from dress sizes, beyond the extremely bleeding obvious.

Nobody has said size 14 is any kind of indicator to obesity! I was addressing a poster who thought that op’s family members who are ‘only size 14-16) may well still be obese.

You don’t need to be morbidly obese to be in danger of a number of obesity related problems. Again, that is fact.

I don't think that being a size 14 necessarily will always make you very unhealthy? But it's likely stopping you from being anywhere near as healthy as you could be? I'm 5ft 6" and was a size 14. I'm very small boned with little muscle mass so carried the weight poorly too. My cholesterol was getting higher and I had a lot of aches and pains first thing in the mornings. I was also starting to have digestive issues, nothing major, but just the first steps down the path of always feeling 'meh'.

But that's all completely gone since I've lost nearly 3 stones.