To be jealous of everyone getting slim in weight loss jabs while I get fatter !

[Sundayslump]

Okay - lighthearted ? Maybe.

I’ve been lucky to grow up and be a size 10 . Had a baby at 27. Lost all the weight but my body changed. Baby 2 , again gained 4 stone but I’ve always kept the last stone. I am now 12/14 uk.

I work full time and have two children . I eat healthy for the most part and walk and exercise. When I am super strict which feels so much harder at 40 I am a size 12 but unlike in my 30s it seems so much harder to lose weight now . I feel crap in my clothes and I wish and dream of being a size 10. Call me pathetic !

My brother and his wife , twos sisters and their husbands , work colleagues and a few of my good friends who were never obese but had a few stone to lose are all taking weight loss jabs. They have all lost around 2/3/4 stone and are all now looking fab . All the women are now in size 8 jeans and I am jealous. I sound pathetic . None of these ladies were any bigger than a 14/16 to start with.

I totally understand these jabs are so life changing for so many people who need them but it seems in my life everyone has taken them and gone from a 14/16 to a size 8/6 size Uk and I can’t help but feel like if I just bloody jump on the bandwagon I will feel good, feel happy and be slim.

Now everyone around me is so slim I feel ever more aware of my size .

I want to state I exercise and do eat a healthy diet . I have just found after two babies and getting older unless I basically stick to 1200 calories a day I can’t maintain a size 12.
Ahhhhhh. Sorry for sounding so so so vain.

What happened to the word "hungry".?
"food noise" sounds silly.
Anyway, I wouldn't be jealous; personally I think it's a medical scandal waiting to happen

Do you not have to take them forever to continue that effect? I know I used them for a while, lost a stone or something then stopped for financial reasons. As soon as I stopped, my eating went back to normal as the appetite quashing was all the jab. Without doing any work around the other reasons I ate the loss was for nothing. And there was no way I would have continued that regime forever, money or no money.

I've since started ADHD meds and lost a couple of stone, because the emotional, impulse driven side of me is calmer.

At size 14/16 my weight was still in the obese range.

Obesity is still dangerous, just not as dangerous as morbid obesity. But obesity often progresses into morbid obesity. Why do you think obese people shouldn't have access to this medication? Is it residual resentment/jealousy from being morbidly obese yourself? Obviously people are going to struggle to keep the weight off if they come off the medication. That's because the medication works. That's why obese and formerly obese people will be able to take the medication long term to maintain weight loss. It's not that complicated.

Hi OP

I’m 40, have kids, perimenopausal. Every body is different but I’ve went from a size 14 to a size 10 eating 2,000 calories a day.

It’s be a long, slow process, averaging 1/2 a pound per week but it’s come off and stayed off because I’ve kept my calories sensible. My 3 year old eats more than 1,200 calories a day.

1/ Work out your calorie deficit using the Schofield Method.

2/ Weight yourself daily using the Happy Scale app. This works out your average weight loss across the week so takes into account things like period bloating, a higher salt intake one day, hot weather causing you to retain water etc. If you weigh daily without something like this you not getting a true picture of your weight loss. Same with weighing weekly.

3/ Eat 1g of protein per 1lb of ideal body weight. So 140lbs goal weight means 140g of protein.

4/ 2ltrs min of water

5/ 10,000 steps

6/ Strength training 3 x a week (if you can)

I did all this with a coach and it worked. I was so sceptical at the time and terrified of eating 2000 calories a day.

I could go into the complicated science behind it but basically years of being on and off 1,200 calories per day wrecks your metabolism. You fix it by giving your body juuuust under what it needs per day. For most people they need over 2,000 calories per day, which is why 2,000 per day to lose weight is actually plenty. Some people it might be 1,900, 1,800 but the Scofield equation will help you figure that out.

It’s basically like stealth attacking your body. A small calorie deficit isn’t enough for your body to go into panic mode and start ramping up your gernalin (hunger hormone) and slowing your metabolism. At 1,200 calories per day your body is going to fight tooth and nail to hold onto fat and to make you need to eat more.

I considered the weight loss jabs before this but then my DH went into hospital with a chronic gastrointestinal issue he has and on his ward of 4 people the other 3 were all there because of weight loss jabs. He heard one doctor telling a patient his “pancreas has turned to mush” because of the jabs. Now obviously we don’t know the ins and outs of these people’s medical history or how they were using the jabs…but it was enough to put me off since I wasn’t obese. I was overweight but healthy. I just wanted to be slimmer.

Yes, pretty much. It's possible that maintaining a healthy weight for a significant period of time will undo the damage that obesity causes to fat cells, hormones and metabolism and that people will be better able to maintain weight loss without medication but we don't know that yet. Research is going to be much easier with the use of these medications.

Is a size 14 obese and qualifies for NHS funded treatment? If so, my mind is boggled.

If they are funding themselves, crack on.

I’ve had an unexpected but beneficial side effect from Mounjaro which I’ve reported through my prescriber (they don’t just sell you the drugs, they provide advice and support). There is currently a couple of studies going on into this and I’ve agreed to share my details. So I’m one of the guinea pigs I guess.

Yes there may be long term side effects but 20 years of their use in diabetes medicine is good enough for me to risk them. The side effects that seem to be emerging in wider studies on the whole seem to be positive and beneficial. So that’s good.

Even if the seemingly hoped for negative effects appear I would probably on balance continue to take Mounjaro as the beneficial side effect that I have seen has improved my quality of life so much that I’d take my chances.

It’s not all about aesthetics as a pp said. It’s about improved health and improved quality of life. There are bound to be people abusing the system but most of us don’t and are completely honest about our weight and medical background as it’s our health we are risking.

Most people can't be arsed to do it slowly or are too impatient

I had a BMI of 30.1 when I started Mounjaro. I was 2.5 stone overweight. I was (and still am) a size 12.

We have got so used to morbidly obese people that we overlook those that are “just” obese. Have a look back at photo’s from the 80’s and everyone was a lot slimmer then. We have normalised obesity to the determinant of people’s health.

Track marks 😆😆😆 that's...not how injecting mounjaro works! My god

It's a very modern buzzword that drives me absolutely mad! 🤣

But that's my problem to deal with 😊

<< Calms twitching eye >>

I was obese when I was size 14 yes. No I didn't qualify for NHS treatment at that point, but I was still obese class 1

Almost nobody qualifies for this medication on the NHS. And yes a 14 can absolutely be obese.

But it’s not always hunger. I have food noise all the time even if I’m not hungry. I do have ADHD though so that probably doesn’t help. There’s quite a bit of evidence about “food noise” and ADHD and plenty of people find that ADHD meds turn that noise off and they stop eating as much and lose weight.

Thankyou

Actually most people have tried many many times and failed because treating obesity through lifestyle changes is incredibly difficult and impossible for some

Food noise isn’t about feeling hungry. It’s thinking about food constantly even when you aren’t hungry.

People really need to stop equating clothes size with weight and obesity. You can easily be a 14/16 and be an obese BMI. People carry weight differently and lots of people are heavier than others would realise. I wear a size 14 or 16 and my BMI is 33 so I am in the obese category. I need to lose another 1.5 stone to just be overweight.

It’s not the same as being hungry. If you’ve never had it before grateful - it’s awful.

@MoonWoman69 who exactly are we "cheating"?
Weight loss isn't a bloody competition, it's a medical need for many people to avoid further health issues and premature death.

So yeah, I'm happy to "cheat" to avoid that.

Fucking ridiculous ignorant comment.

What does it say about our society when women who are size 12 or 14 think they are big?

i wonder if those starting out at a size 14 on the weight loss jabs are somehow tricking the pharmacist about their size? I had to give my height, weight (proved in a photo holding a sheet of paper with my name and the current date on) and then front & side photos of me in tight clothing to prove just how big I was.

Or 'cravings' as it used to be called.

Does the jab only get rid of the food noises? Or does it do something else which helps with weight loss?

Hunger and food noise are not the same thing. People experience obsessive thoughts about food without feeling hungry. If you can't relate to this it may mean you don't experience it very often, which is lucky.

I have been on Mounjaro for six weeks now and have lost 11 pounds (just done my weekly weigh in and lost one pound in the last week). That’s not super fast weight loss BUT last year I dieted for six months and lost less than that! It’s nothing to do with not being arsed. Many people (like me) really struggle to lose weight despite putting many months or years of effort in. Mounjaro (and other WLI’s) are a tool to help us.