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AIBU or is Brother being a Billy big balls?

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NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 22:45

DF has a significant birthday much later this year, late October..DB contacted me to ask if I'd go in on a weekend stay for DF and DM somewhere as gift. I didn't reply immediately, got a sarky tumbleweed gif 16 hours later. Responded with 'sounds good'. I didn't commit, I basically had a million and one other things in my mind, not a birthday 8 months away.
He went ahead and booked it, nowt to pay until a week before, so free cancellation. But it's £440.
Now, we are higher earners than DB and his wife, but, live in a much more expensive part of the country, huge mortgage, we have two teens, they're child free. We all grew up poor, so whilst we are still budget supermarket shoppers and have one crappy car, we have one nice holiday w eye couple of years and don't have to worry about bills. We are in a much better position than many, but we are still careful, but for the grace of god and all that.
We don't spend money like that on birthdays. Nor do my parents. They gave me £50 fory 40th.
I said I'd need to speak to DH. DB immediately started messaging that it shouldn't be a problem, I had months to save and they spent £300 on one night for DM's last big birthday etc.
He was unquestionably rude.
I have a very strained but civil relationship with my parents. He is geographically and emotionally much closer. I moved out a few weeks after my 18th, moved country and never went back to live. He lived with them until he was 32. Largely rent free. I get why he wants to spoil them. Although he really doesn't have the money.
We value time and experiences together over money. He is about what looks good on Instagram primarily.
I left it as no rush, we will consider it. He has now, 2 days later, said don't worry if you're going to be petty, we will pay for the whole stay. I replied saying probably for the best. We will sort something else. Not to mention, if we visit, we have to pay for plane tickets, hire car, airport parking and dog boarding before we even get there.
He clearly thinks I'm pathetic and tight.

OP posts:
Hhoudini · 02/03/2025 08:50

Your posts are not very clear, it’s taken most of them for me to understand why you’re talking about costs of you travelling while you’re saying this isn’t a big family holiday and I’m wondering if this is part of the issue.

A) you gave him the go ahead when you said ‘sure sounds good’, at no point did you show any interest in planning it together so it’s clear why he went ahead and did it without you.
B) I don’t think that’s a bad price for a night away in a decent hotel for a special birthfay
C) you paying for your own transport costs isn’t a present for your dad for his birthday, it’s a treat for your family.

Lotsofsnacks · 02/03/2025 08:53

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:16

The sounds good was to a general principle. I thought we might research options and make a choice together.

I agree the ‘sounds good’ was like an initial go ahead signal. OP you were far too passive then, you should have spoken up about doubts with joining in on the present, then. Your reply was far too wishy washy, and of course, rightly or wrongly, DB has just stormed in and booked.

crockofshite · 02/03/2025 08:55

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:16

The sounds good was to a general principle. I thought we might research options and make a choice together.

I think your communication skills are really poor.

You had a conversation in your head instead of with your brother.

However YANBU about the amount you spend on this, if you don't want to spend the money that's your perogative.

gannett · 02/03/2025 08:59

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:09

I take the point that I caused the confusion. That is fair. I obviously don't want to post the exact message he sent.
I also haven't given context to the kind of person he is. Our relationship is strained. I know it's not me, long story based on how our entire family attended/didn't attend his wedding a while back.
I should have been clearer in my response.
But the question I'm asking really is, AIBU for not wanting to spend £220 on a birthday. But I guess that is entirely subjective. So this is a pointless thread
I find it very difficult to distill all the salient points without it being a massive ramble. I guess I need to stop asking!

OP, you've spent a lot of time giving us the context and quibbling over the exact sum that would be reasonable but I don't think either is relevant at all. The issue is entirely poor communication - both you and your brother. The rest is noise.

He should definitely have run the exact plan and amount past you before booking.

Equally, given he didn't do that, you should have responded wih your own financial budget. It was obviously going to be substantially more than £50. Or - this was probably the better option given you're LC with him and clearly don't want to do anything together with him - to say no, you've already planned gifts for your parents.

Whether he's a dislikeable prick or not is irrelevant to that. And £220 is neither reasonable nor unreasonable. People have wildly different budgets, which is why it's important to state yours.

Haveyouanyjam · 02/03/2025 09:01

Why wouldn’t you just go back and say ‘sorry DB didn’t realise you were going to book something without checking price, I can’t afford £220 on top of the hundreds it will cost for me and DC to see dad for his birthday, can we cancel that and look for something a bit cheaper’?

As others have said seems there’s just a general communication issue but you have been as bad as each other.

crockofshite · 02/03/2025 09:04

Chuchoter · 02/03/2025 07:01

You sound like a very difficult and bitter person.

Do you feel better now you've got that nasty little dig off your chest!

ThaTrìCaitAgam · 02/03/2025 09:06

How is it possible people think it’s OK to just book a hotel without discussing prices?

OP was asked to give a joint gift. She was OK with that. In what world is it just fine to book without asking the joining person for input or a confirmation? This isn’t about earnings, it’s about normal behaviour. After an initial ‘go’ it should be a two way conversation, and this wasn’t that. That’s strange behaviour, but OP is being blamed for it. 🤔

thepariscrimefiles · 02/03/2025 09:09

ForPoliteHam · 01/03/2025 23:38

YABU.

It's your father
It's a significant birthday

..and you can't be bothered, really.

Not really. Her brother should have told her about the costs to get her agreement before booking. It is also clear that OP has a much more strained and distant relationship with her parents and that her brother is the 'golden' child.

Zapx · 02/03/2025 09:09

From that, I would presume that your DB wanted to treat your Dad to this trip. He was actually then thinking it’d be nice if it was from both of you, otherwise it’d probably look like there was an obvious gift disparity. So he gave you the chance to join in, which you then showed agreement for. At which point he booked it.

I think not replying for that long wasn’t great, and him not telling you how much wasn’t great. Equally if he knows you’re the higher earners, and he himself was happy to spend that much, I can see why he thought it’d probably be okay for you?

Doesn’t sound like he did much wrong and it’s nice he wants to treat your Dad. I can see why you’re annoyed about the money. So maybe a bit of both sides being unreasonable.

cansu · 02/03/2025 09:10

NomadicEthusiasm
You texted sounds good and nothing else. Anyone would take this for agreement. You didn't say let's talk about it or do some research. It sounds like you don't particularly like your brother or your parents and you were trying to be awkward. Not wanting to spend that much is fine but you should have said that from the off.

Phineyj · 02/03/2025 09:18

The other issue is people who live close to parents forgetting conveniently that the ones who live further are going to incur costs to even get there (we had that too in contribute X to a gift situations). I mean if you've paid fuel or train, maybe booked annual leave, maybe hotel, maybe pet feeder etc then you do begin to feel a bit "my presence is my present" about the whole thing - especially if inlaws!

The moral of this story is perhaps to pick up the phone?!

Porcuporpoise · 02/03/2025 09:22

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:11

This.^ this is what I'm trying to say, but did so clumsily.
Yes, I COULD find this money. But I equally COULD find the money for some designer shoes and yet, I don't choose to.

So why indicate that you wanted in? How do you think he was going to interpret "sounds good"?

It's fine for you not to want to spend the money but £440 sounds about right for half a short break for 2 people.

crockofshite · 02/03/2025 09:24

BitOutOfPractice · 02/03/2025 07:56

I think this situation is of your own making with your poor communication.

But it’s not really about this present is it? It’s about how you feel about your family.

It's about how much money she's prepared to spend. Fullstop .

PussInBin20 · 02/03/2025 09:29

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:16

The sounds good was to a general principle. I thought we might research options and make a choice together.

But you didn’t say that to him and so he took it as a done deal - as I would have.

YABU. Just sounds like whatever he would have said would rub you up the wrong way.

kierenthecommunity · 02/03/2025 09:41

Leaving it (presumably what would have been more than 16 hours had he’d not sent the PA GIF) is not ‘not responding immediately’ it’s bloody annoying and inconsiderate. Yet DB is the unspeakably rude one? 🤔

It sounds like he has indeed jumped the gun by going ahead and booking but he may have thought you weren’t that interested too tbf.

Yeahno · 02/03/2025 11:12

Even without the issues with your family, I think your communication was not the problem. Your response was reasonable. Your brother should have replied with something like "I found something for £££. Here are the details, is that ok?" or " great, what's your budget?" Your brother skipped many steps and jumped straight to "pay up", especially with many months to go. You were not unreasonable to go, "well, hang on, I didn't agree to the details..."
A lot of people here like to project. They can't take your situation with your family for what it is. They just think "I would love to do something nice for my father, why don't you? You meanie "

Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 15:41

farmlife2 · 02/03/2025 08:10

He's not unreasonable to want an answer so he can go ahead and book. Bookings for a party that size will need to be done well in advance. You're not unreasonable to decline if you don't want to go. Just give him a clear answer one way or other.

A booking for a party of 2 needs booking well in advance? I wouldn’t say it’s that urgent to get it booked

BitOutOfPractice · 02/03/2025 16:22

crockofshite · 02/03/2025 09:24

It's about how much money she's prepared to spend. Fullstop .

Have you read the OP’s updates? The amount of money she’s prepared to spend is all about how she feels about her family. That’s what this is about. Not £200

PrivacyScreen · 02/03/2025 19:55

Phineyj · 02/03/2025 09:18

The other issue is people who live close to parents forgetting conveniently that the ones who live further are going to incur costs to even get there (we had that too in contribute X to a gift situations). I mean if you've paid fuel or train, maybe booked annual leave, maybe hotel, maybe pet feeder etc then you do begin to feel a bit "my presence is my present" about the whole thing - especially if inlaws!

The moral of this story is perhaps to pick up the phone?!

As a further away child, I feel that my sibling's constant presence is their present? And very very valuable to me.

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