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AIBU or is Brother being a Billy big balls?

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NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 22:45

DF has a significant birthday much later this year, late October..DB contacted me to ask if I'd go in on a weekend stay for DF and DM somewhere as gift. I didn't reply immediately, got a sarky tumbleweed gif 16 hours later. Responded with 'sounds good'. I didn't commit, I basically had a million and one other things in my mind, not a birthday 8 months away.
He went ahead and booked it, nowt to pay until a week before, so free cancellation. But it's £440.
Now, we are higher earners than DB and his wife, but, live in a much more expensive part of the country, huge mortgage, we have two teens, they're child free. We all grew up poor, so whilst we are still budget supermarket shoppers and have one crappy car, we have one nice holiday w eye couple of years and don't have to worry about bills. We are in a much better position than many, but we are still careful, but for the grace of god and all that.
We don't spend money like that on birthdays. Nor do my parents. They gave me £50 fory 40th.
I said I'd need to speak to DH. DB immediately started messaging that it shouldn't be a problem, I had months to save and they spent £300 on one night for DM's last big birthday etc.
He was unquestionably rude.
I have a very strained but civil relationship with my parents. He is geographically and emotionally much closer. I moved out a few weeks after my 18th, moved country and never went back to live. He lived with them until he was 32. Largely rent free. I get why he wants to spoil them. Although he really doesn't have the money.
We value time and experiences together over money. He is about what looks good on Instagram primarily.
I left it as no rush, we will consider it. He has now, 2 days later, said don't worry if you're going to be petty, we will pay for the whole stay. I replied saying probably for the best. We will sort something else. Not to mention, if we visit, we have to pay for plane tickets, hire car, airport parking and dog boarding before we even get there.
He clearly thinks I'm pathetic and tight.

OP posts:
Whyherewego · 02/03/2025 07:23

To answer your question, I would spend £220 on my mum for a significant birthday. She wouldn't ever spend that much on me, but she's only got a small pension so I'd never expect it. I earn good money and so if my sibling came up with an idea I think she'd really like then I would spend the money.
You told him it "sounds good", £440 is not extortionate for a few days away in a nice hotel for 2 people. So I'm not sure what you thought it was going to cost, but I'd have been expecting somewhere around £150 plus. If you'd wanted to spend max £50 then that is basically a travel lodge/premier inn stay which doesn't sound like what your brother was suggesting. So you could have taken 30 secs to suggest a budget or some constraints. He is trying to organise it well in advance so it's best value.
I think you are being quite unreasonable in your annoyance here. It's fine to not want to contribute but just own it and say clearly I don't want to spend this much money on them.

SardinesOnGingerbread · 02/03/2025 07:23

I think I probably come from a family more like your family dynamic, compared to some other posters. I completely understand, and am so impressed you stayed cool, didn't jump to defend yourself, and generally did some quality containment work. Chin up. It's always going to be tricky and other people won't understand.

LadyGAgain · 02/03/2025 07:24

You said sounds good and you didn't add in that you wanted to be part of any further decision making. They are your parents. It's a lovely thing to do. He might not have got it exactly right but you also sound like really hard work. Send them with good grace.

rwalker · 02/03/2025 07:25

From your initial response I would of 100% taken that as a yes
Happy to leave him to it with no talk of budget but let’s be honest a weekend for 2 is going to be at least £400
How many much were you expecting it to be ?
I think your being unreasonable

GreyAreas · 02/03/2025 07:27

You are non committal about all the relationships (absolutely fair enough), were set to resent whatever he did, and were non committal about the communication which was unhelpful. If someone is offering to organise, and you haven't got headspace to consider it yet, then you either free them up to go ahead without you or you set the parameters and thank them for organising.
I was hoping that one of my siblings would organise DMs big birthday after I organised DFs...no, instead they immediately had a fall out about it so I ended up organising it as well. Tedious.

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:27

rwalker · 02/03/2025 07:25

From your initial response I would of 100% taken that as a yes
Happy to leave him to it with no talk of budget but let’s be honest a weekend for 2 is going to be at least £400
How many much were you expecting it to be ?
I think your being unreasonable

I've ment numerous times. In the location we are talking about, mid week, out of season, which the dates are. There are numerous lovely hotels, not remotely like chain premier inns, properly lovely hotels that do a special stay if £199 per couple for a two night stay. A weekend in the same hotel would be two or three times that for context.
I expected that.

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0ohLarLar · 02/03/2025 07:28

He is being unreasonable expecting you to just tip up cash BUT:

  • you didn't reply to his message for several days because you were "processing"? It sounds like you couldn't be bothered. I can understand if your brother gets irritated if you don't reply to stuff.
  • The mature normal response to his message was "lovely idea, but sounds expensive - how much?" Followed by a discussion of who pays what etc

You come across like you are trying to be low contact tbh but he may not have realised you are.

DullardFrigate · 02/03/2025 07:29

I would have expected an "I'm thinking of this one" message before the booking so you had a chance to agree or disagree.
I would easily spend an amount like that for a big birthday for parents if I could comfortably afford it.

0ohLarLar · 02/03/2025 07:30

, £440 is not extortionate for a few days away in a nice hotel for 2 people.

Agree... Where are all these decent hotels that aren't at least this? Tbh i was think 440 for two nights is pretty cheap. You can pay hundreds per night for a nice spa hotel etc.

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:34

SardinesOnGingerbread · 02/03/2025 07:23

I think I probably come from a family more like your family dynamic, compared to some other posters. I completely understand, and am so impressed you stayed cool, didn't jump to defend yourself, and generally did some quality containment work. Chin up. It's always going to be tricky and other people won't understand.

God it's a relief to hear someone say this.
My brother is absolutely not doing this out of the goodness of his heart. He is not kind. He is not thoughtful. He is incredibly intolerant of just about everyone and has some pretty severe main character energy.
I managed to maintain healthy, loving relationships with aunts, uncles, cousins, adored my grandparents (who I lived with for a while) and have a range of good friends who I see regularly and have know for 15-25 years.
But I'm the problem
I worded my OP badly. trying to over explain, which is a defence mechanism. But rung to be succinct. I left in/out the wrong info
The key for me is that he keeps telling me that it's not that much money and isn't as much as he spent on mum for her big birthday.
Lovely. Not relevant in my opinion.
Anyway, thank you for recognising that not all families are either fluffy and lovely or totally no contact

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0ohLarLar · 02/03/2025 07:35

. I grew up poor, and now I feel like we are doing ok. My take home is £1800 pm

This is kind of a drip feed, you earn pretty much minimum wage, thats NOT the impression given in the OP and massively changes my view on what its reasonable for him to assume you'd pay!

polinkhausive · 02/03/2025 07:35

It's fine that you don't want to spend that on your parents

But I agree with others saying your communication was poor.

Why didn't you reply and say "yes sure, but my budget is £xx, can we chat about what we can get for £xx x 2?"

I don't think the amount he suggested is outrageously high for a hotel break

I think the problem is that you didn't really want to do it in the first place but for some reason didn't just say so

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:36

0ohLarLar · 02/03/2025 07:28

He is being unreasonable expecting you to just tip up cash BUT:

  • you didn't reply to his message for several days because you were "processing"? It sounds like you couldn't be bothered. I can understand if your brother gets irritated if you don't reply to stuff.
  • The mature normal response to his message was "lovely idea, but sounds expensive - how much?" Followed by a discussion of who pays what etc

You come across like you are trying to be low contact tbh but he may not have realised you are.

I am low contact. He knows full well. We have a family 'chat' which I muted as it pings all day long and I'm working. He @ me in when he wants a response because he's aware of how I handle things

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SwanOfThoseThings · 02/03/2025 07:37

I would take 'sounds good' as agreement - you should have qualified this or phrased it differently if you meant 'I'm not against it in principle but would need to know more before committing.'

Regarding birthday spending - I think it's normal to splash out on milestone birthdays, obviously only within what you can afford. My sister and I would normally spend no more than about £40 each on gifts for our parents, but when they had significant birthdays, we jointly did something special, e.g. Pullman train trip.

That said, you are under no obligation to spend more than usual, whether or not you can afford it - but you do need to make your position clear when others are doing things that involve booking in advance.

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:38

0ohLarLar · 02/03/2025 07:35

. I grew up poor, and now I feel like we are doing ok. My take home is £1800 pm

This is kind of a drip feed, you earn pretty much minimum wage, thats NOT the impression given in the OP and massively changes my view on what its reasonable for him to assume you'd pay!

I'm part time. DH is in reasonable money, I have explained this. Outwardly DB thinks we are loaded. But he lives in a MUCH cheaper area than we do and has no kids.

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Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:39

Devianinc · 01/03/2025 23:10

There’s a lot of threads lately where people seem to have no problem using or expecting other people’s money. It’s crazy. No body tell you where your money goes but you.

No body has told OP how to spend her money though. She was asked and said sounds good, so she agreed then realised she didn’t want to so said no.

Lifestooshort71 · 02/03/2025 07:39

Astronautstar · 01/03/2025 23:01

I think you're at fault because you gave the go ahead by saying "Sounds good," but didn't put any boundaries around what you were agreeing to or allow a conversation where you'd have involvement with the plan.

Your post seems quite mean spirited. I would have found the lack of response from you rude. You seem very quick to judge your brother's behaviour without really giving him an opportunity to have a more positive interaction with you. And you dismiss his kindness as just for show when I doubt you know or like him enough to do that from an informed position.

Edited

This 100%!

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:40

polinkhausive · 02/03/2025 07:35

It's fine that you don't want to spend that on your parents

But I agree with others saying your communication was poor.

Why didn't you reply and say "yes sure, but my budget is £xx, can we chat about what we can get for £xx x 2?"

I don't think the amount he suggested is outrageously high for a hotel break

I think the problem is that you didn't really want to do it in the first place but for some reason didn't just say so

I should have. But in my defence, as I've said multiple times, I tried to call him. He declined as he didn't want to wake his dog
The next move was 'i booked X it's this much'
Did he not get that my call was to discuss it properly?

OP posts:
NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:41

Lifestooshort71 · 02/03/2025 07:39

This 100%!

It's almost like I know him.

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NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:41

Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:39

No body has told OP how to spend her money though. She was asked and said sounds good, so she agreed then realised she didn’t want to so said no.

Yes, because all hotel breaks cost the same...

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polinkhausive · 02/03/2025 07:42

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:40

I should have. But in my defence, as I've said multiple times, I tried to call him. He declined as he didn't want to wake his dog
The next move was 'i booked X it's this much'
Did he not get that my call was to discuss it properly?

Well no he didn't, because he isn't telepathic

If you had messaged him to say that, he might have done though?

Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:45

0ohLarLar · 02/03/2025 07:30

, £440 is not extortionate for a few days away in a nice hotel for 2 people.

Agree... Where are all these decent hotels that aren't at least this? Tbh i was think 440 for two nights is pretty cheap. You can pay hundreds per night for a nice spa hotel etc.

Edited

To some though that would be extortionate, just because one person doesn’t find it expensive doesn’t mean to say it’s not expensive for someone else

Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:47

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:41

Yes, because all hotel breaks cost the same...

Clearly they don’t all cost the same if this one is more expensive than you’d thought it would be

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:47

Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:47

Clearly they don’t all cost the same if this one is more expensive than you’d thought it would be

Bingo

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Autumn38 · 02/03/2025 07:52

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:09

I take the point that I caused the confusion. That is fair. I obviously don't want to post the exact message he sent.
I also haven't given context to the kind of person he is. Our relationship is strained. I know it's not me, long story based on how our entire family attended/didn't attend his wedding a while back.
I should have been clearer in my response.
But the question I'm asking really is, AIBU for not wanting to spend £220 on a birthday. But I guess that is entirely subjective. So this is a pointless thread
I find it very difficult to distill all the salient points without it being a massive ramble. I guess I need to stop asking!

Hang on! So your contribution would be £200 not £400???? How much did you reasonably think a nice weekend stay away would be??? You said ‘sounds good’ - you did agree to it.

you are definitely the unreasonable one here. I can’t see anything your brother did wrong.

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