To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

[Foodtimeisit]

After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia.
Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase.
AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

And I say again, this is the man who has sent his agents into this country to poison people and not cared who else got in the way.

He would not have cared if his agents died in their efforts and I doubt it would have crossed his mind if an innocent Russian had also got killed

He does not care about individuals he only cares about his greater goal to get Russia back to what it was

Edited - no idea what happened it got posted before I had finished and was in capitals💁

War has changed. This is being shown by what's going on in Ukraine.

All the kids who play computer games and hack will be very useful in this new type of warfare.

We are all Russian targets anyway. It's not only the cyber attacks but the poisonings Putin has done on British soil.

If we hadn't fought we would have come under Hitler's rule. My husband's family would have gone to the gas chambers. Hitler was pretty ruthless with all the defeated populations viewing them as nothing better than cheaplabour in the German cause and quite happy for entire villages to be wiped out as punishment.

Presumably you think that would have been a better outcome.

Courtesy? What are you gibbering on about.
Zelensky wasn't the one that started a screaming match in front of the press.

And as for Heraclitus did he make any reference to history repeating itself?

Let's not give history the opportunity.

Oh don't be daft @Foodtimeisit You're deliberately and misrepresenting people's position by calling them 'war hungry'. 🙄It's very manipulative and makes you look like a paid-for Russian troll.

What Trump means by 'peace' is 'surrender'.

Go Google the horrific things that has happened to Ukrainian women and girls at the hands of Russian soldiers before you suggest they should settle for 'peace'.

It won't be peace. The Russians will ensure that their Ukrainian cultural identity will be erased, like the vermin that some people on mainstream Russian TV think the Ukrainians are.

Do you think the Russian Tzar court (sorry 'government') will be happy with just Ukraine?? After having that and re-building, it will embolden him to take a bite out of more of Ukraine or one of their other border countries. That's a big problem.

Late to this thread.
Gad! I absolutely despair at the ignorance of some of those complacent fools starting these 'Britain-First' threads. Don't any of you read history?
Fexsake

@hwi You seem not to understand that the UK Navy etc are chasing the Russians daily out of our waters. The Navy is patrolling all the time and you don't hear about it much (unless you know people in the Forces) but the Russians are constantly trying to gather information for their own ends which is to take control of as much of the world as they can or damage our economy in ways that make us vulnerable.

I see so many of them on social media I presume lots are bots.

The worse thing is the same people ring up talk radio giving different names excusing Putin. They starting to get cut off now.

It's not Russians though per se. It's Putin's little cabal of fiendish warmongers. But either way, what can we do? Hitler comparisons are dangerous. US had blanket intervention policy partly bc of ww2 & that got them Vietnam & Iraq. Partly why they are wary now. Not every dictator is Hitler. We can't stop all the evil in the world.

You seem to dismiss the real threat and be pro Russia.

You're also conflating lots of things.

The US's intervention as you described it is not the same as NATO and us protecting other European countries .

I think the RAF are constantly being scrambled to see Russian jets off as well.

This.

Putin is currently very depleted, and I don't think he'll be raising anything major any time soon. He may even die from natural causes before that point, but as soon as he gathers his strength, he'll be looking hungrily at other countries around him.

Even if he does die, a chaos might ensue around it which might be an even worse result for Europe.

I can't believe I'm seeing this shit in my lifetime. Men absolutely love the blood, cruelty, destruction and thrill of war. 😔

They are.

None of this hits the press but if you know people who are involved it's happening all the time.

No, some men love power at any cost.

When Putin invades a NATO country we are at war whether that country is Poland, Finland or Turkey.

Far cheaper for NATO to get Ukraine to fight him for all us.

We signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994. We are involved.

@countrygirl99
Don't make any presumptions pls

I said there is no appetite for war in this country. People are tried, they don’t want another war, they don’t want to send their sons and daughters to fight in a war in another country.

Ask about, see how many people you know who would willing go and fight today for Ukraine, or who would send their children, with limited resources, training and protection.

History has shown up that British involvement hasn’t always been that welcome.

The Bucha massacre would be a good starting point @Foodtimeisit

Actually they don't.

Numbers fell in the armed forces as soon as young men who wanted to join realised they had a real chance of being in combat and it wasn't just peace keeping.

I used to do loads of sports and fitness and had discussions both with military wannabes as well as ex-forces. I still know reservists now who are busier than they used to be.

And by Musk you mean Vance.

Why didn't you say that rather than imply ukraine has somehow caused the cost of living crisis?

Noone wants war but they also don't want Russian expansion across Europe. Russia cannot be allowed to take parts of other countries he fancies what he could do is down weapons and withdraw. He's still fucking bombing ukraine on a daily basis,he's literally dropping bombs while Trump is sat in the white House talking about how trustworthy he is. IF US actually withdraws support we should be leaning in more not doing the opposite.

That's why we need to keep giving Ukraine arms.

If Putin decides to go invade a NATO country we are at war. We have already had near misses on land, sea and air with Russian forces.

Ukraine do not want Russia in their territory and they need all the support that can be mustered . A cease fire leaving Russia in charge of parts of Ukraine is not an acceptable resolution . Do you not understand why we went to war over the Falkland Islands ? It’s not a case of being war hungry , it’s a case of you have to defend countries that have been invaded or where does it end ?

Helping Ukraine will only cost a fraction of what Brexit has cost us.

Why do I get the feeling none of the "concerned posters" starting these endless threads telling us how we can't afford to oppose dictators give a shit about all the money wasted on leaving the EU?

Ultimately there is now a junction. It’s history in the making, and the future will remember this moment.

One direction is to walk away from Ukraine. Fudge a peace deal that holds for a few years, and hope for the best.

The other is to stand by Ukraine. Supplying them with weapons and aid for an indefinite war of attrition. A war that never ends. It will be a low level war that rumbles on and on using vast resources of all kinds.

Neither is appealing is it. Russia won’t back down. Ukraine can’t back down.

The US are pulling out, leaving Europe to sort this out themselves whatever happens. The whole strategy yesterday was to manufacture enough of a rift to use it as a reason to pull the plug, a classic move. Trump can blame Zelenskyy now for intransigence.

Zekenskyy should have remained charmingly calm, agreeable and thankful and played them at their own game.