To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

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After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia.
Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase.
AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

OP I think the problem with your position is that you think the choice is between two alternatives that actually are not real: a war that is exclusively for the benefit of the Ukraine or a peace deal after which Putin is content to leave it be.

These are not the options we have, they are the ones Putin’s PR machine (and Trump’s) want you to think we have.

if you ask ‘wouldn’t world peace be better’ it is pretty obvious every sane person believes it would be so the conversation can’t really go very far. Similarly if you think diplomacy can be the simple answer I would encourage you to watch the scenes from the Oval office yesterday.

Exactly. How about Putin just rules the vast country he’s already the dictator of?

I don't agree w all of this & I have huge sympathy for Ukraine. As a Pole, I am v worried that Poland will be next. But I wish I could remember this historian whose article I read - he said, people keep seeing Putin as the new Hitler. In actuality, he's more of a new USSR leader. I doubt he wants more than the USSR whose collapse he called the worst 20th century geopolitical disaster. I pray he will not get any. But I thunk it's v important people don't go for easy Hitler comparisons & understand the USSR context.

We are not in an American movie you know?

Something along the lines of the Budapest Memorandum in which Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in return for peace guarantees you mean?

There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine

What has given you the idea that UK and US have been the only supporters of Ukraine? UK is not even in the top 10.
www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

Britain is the 8th largest contributor to the Ukraine war, but the British media seem to promote the idea that this is Britain alone support Zalensky. The largest support for Ukraine's war are the contries that border Ukraine and Russia, all less wealthy countries than the UK (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland). Denmark, a much small country than ours tho' wealthier, also makes a larger contribution than us. However, despite not having a land border with Ukraine or Russia, we are all threatened by Putin through cyber attacks (ever wondered why banks and NHS systems go down?), meddling in elections and corrupt oligarchs. We should not bury our heads in the sand.

and yes there's a really simple solution to end this war, Russia can get out of Ukraine. Simples.

I'm from a family who served in WWII for peace in Europe.

We need to be part of this to keep our sovereignty and the sovereignty of Europe

Calm down! I totally agree, but then again I won't give 1p of my money to foreign causes, overall. I only contribute to UK-focussed local charities, really local ones. I only buy the Big Issue from native sellers, on principle. I am fine with the UK being friends of Saudis, they buy our armaments, I think it is vile we get involved in changing governments be it by peaceful means (colour revolutions) or war (Iraq) - if they want women's rights and gender rights, let them do it themselves. Same about Ukraine. I genuinely don't have the capacity to care for any cause that is non-UK. I resent any foreign aid. I think those who are for it, should pay for it individually. So many people think the same, but they are compelled to virtue-signal, either because of their careers or their so-called friends. Briefly, I resent every penny, never mind million. spent on foreign aid, Ukraine included, whilst our own suffer.

Heraclitus said ‘you cannot fall into the same river twice’. So the circumstances of the mid twentieth century are not those we live in now.

If the sainted EU had kept up its NATO contributions, if their (and our) governments , media etc had observed some basic rules of courtesy (and not burning their boats) towards the POTUS, we might be in a slightly more influential position.

You’re right OP.
You should contact president Putin and beg him not to invade us and in return we will not supply any more weapons or money to Zelenskyy.
Peace forever, we can trust the word of Putin.
Nobody has thought of this before, amazing.

I don't think I've ever read such a naïve statement.

I appear to have woken up in 1936.

You seem to think this is nothing to do with us and that if Ukraine gives up it will all be fine . Have you missed the multiple attacks on undersea cabling over the last few months and have you missed the two recent widespread banking app crashes - all sorts of other stuff goes on

I agree with you entirely. The solution should be diplomatic negotiations and peace. However, having seen the performance of Trump and Vance yesterday, I don't think they know the meaning of either term - there was no diplomacy or peace in their brutal and unwarranted attack on Zelensky and the Ukraine. And the only diplomacy Putin undertstands is down the barrel of a gun.

You see, the problem with diplomacy is that it takes two sides to agree upon it - and America Russia want peace on their terms. The funny thing is that whilst Trump and Putin are falling over themselves to be mates, it seems that neither has fully understood that they both want the same thing - access to the Ukraines land and resources. And you know which country has the best track record at forming strategic partnerships based on the use of resources - China! Trump is desperate to get at the rare earth minerals to reduce US dependancy on China for rare earth minerals. I know where my next stop on the diplomatic rounds might be if I were Zelensky.

Are you sure you don’t need to brush up a bit on the Munich Agreement?

Because if you apply your logic to the 1930s you would probably be speaking German right now (if your family hadn’t been ethnically ‘cleansed’ out of existence, of course.)

OP, the situation in Ukraine IS our problem!

I think you are largely right on this. Prisoners of geography makes the same point. He wants to unite mother Russia and reform the USSR. It’s why he doesn’t recognise Ukraine and its legitimate sovereign state. There’s no way he keeps a peace deal until he has at least all of Ukraine and probably Moldova. He can sort of unite some of the others back to the motherland with puppet governments or interfering in elections for now.

What he does after that is anyone’s guess. But a signed piece of paper won’t stop him until he has what he wants.

Neither should effing Czech Republic, but there you go.

OP, taking your post at face value, what do you think that negotiation should look like? How much of his country do you think Zelensky should give away, and how many innocent Ukrainians should be forced to become citizens of the Russian empire?

And when Putin is inspired by his success in Ukraine to invade and attack other European states, what proportion of their countries do you propose he should be given?

Is there a point at which you think perhaps there is no further room for negotiation? Or should the victims simply acquiesce to Russian aggression in order to ensure that there is something that you consider to be "peace"?

Would you feel the same if the aggressor wanted a piece of the UK? Would you be prepared to live under Russian rule if it meant that your neighbours didn't have to engage in war?

Well said

You are either very naive or simply don’t care about Ukraine and the big picture (e.g China and Taiwan). Ukraine is the victim - they have every right to defend itself against Russian. Acknowledging this and stating that Russia is in the wrong and that the US simply want to rob Ukraine of their natural resources and saying this is wrong is not the same as being 'war hungry.'

Zelenskyy and Ukraine have consistently called for peace, but diplomacy only works when both sides are willing to negotiate in good faith. Russia has shown no signs of that, and stopping support for Ukraine would just reward aggression. What kind of negotiations do you think would actually lead to a just and lasting peace? From what you have read and seen about Putin and Trump makes you think they are peace loving statemen who care about Europe/the world at large rather than power hungry and quite simply self serving?

Right? Because what would have happened on WW2 for example without the non-European allies? We probably would have lost.

You seriously think the CoL is due to .. Ukraine?