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To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

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Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 12:54

After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia.
Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase.
AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

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SunDash · 01/03/2025 18:05

I think Europe's defense is in the UKs interest
What are you? A MAGA outreach worker? 🫣

Purplebunnie · 01/03/2025 18:06

Maray1967 · 01/03/2025 17:57

The Russian government has murdered a UK citizen living in the UK via their attempt to murder the Skripals. It is as simple as that. We are definitely in a serious state of conflict. That’s before we get to the hacking, the attempts to cut our undersea cables and buzzing our air space. It’s time to seize AND USE all assets of Russians in the UK that we know are close to the regime. All property, all money, the whole lot.

To add to all this, there is suspicion that Russian bots were involved in the Brexit referendum

petermaddog · 01/03/2025 18:07

any body seen obama biden clinton or even a interview
may niece said their bags are being packed to leave

spuddy4 · 01/03/2025 18:08

Pinkandcake · 01/03/2025 18:01

I’m sick to death of wars and power struggles. Power hungry mad men! Ruining the peace of the majority that just want to live in harmony, but no fucking no. It’s the younger generation that are sent out with their rifles and bombing equipment to do that actual fighting whilst them narcissistic bastard hide in their bomb and bullet proof residences. It makes me sick. The ‘leaders’ should get in amongst it but they won’t risk their owns lives, but they’re more than happy to throw younger innocent population to the lions.

Greedy, never satisfied, power hungry dictatoring bastards!

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The only hope we have is the younger generation say no to it. I've seen the videos of Ukrainians being dragged off the streets and out of their homes because they've refused conscription and it's appalling.

Charlottejbt · 01/03/2025 18:08

Biscuitsnotcookies · 01/03/2025 17:51

I am amazed you see this as a choice personally. It’s not a choice. Russia are not going to give up and go away are they? Deal or no deal. A war of attrition will eventually run Russia’s resources into the ground.

"A war of attrition will eventually run Russia's resources into the ground." This is true, and seems to have been Biden's plan: arm Ukraine enough to make Russia wear itself out, but not enough to escalate to WW3. If on the other hand Ukraine is allowed to fall, the result nay be similar as far as Russia us concerned: a Pyrrhic victory culminating in a brutal and costly Russian occupation of Ukraine. If Putin really can't see this, his days will be numbered.

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 18:10

Biscuitsnotcookies · 01/03/2025 18:00

History tells us Putin can’t be trusted so you can hardly blame Zelenskyy for questioning their integrity.

No one wants the war to continue, but the fact is Trump is prioritising a MINERALS deal over and above the death of tens of thousands of Ukrainians. The war isn’t over and he is already totally disregarding the carnage.

Good Lord. It is just shocking. People are dying as we speak and Trump is lining his pockets with their blood. I’m appalled.

I have no faith in the ‘peace’ deal if one were to even exist.

Let’s be clear: Putin can’t be trusted on that, we agree. But wars aren’t won by trust; they’re won by leverage. And leverage isn’t built on noble intentions or empty moralizing it’s built on resources, strategy, and, yes, money.

Ukraine’s minerals aren’t just wealth beneath the ground; they are power, influence, and the very foundation of what will shape the post-war world. To ignore them, to pretend they don’t matter, is to leave Ukraine vulnerable long after the last shot is fired.

As for Trump Every world leader prioritizes deals over death; they just don’t say it out loud. You call it shocking. I call it predictable.

The uncomfortable truth is this: wars are not waged on sentiment, and they are not resolved with tears. They are resolved by those who understand that strength, both economic and military, is the only currency that matters when the smoke clears.

Now, you can shake your head, you can call it grotesque, but tell me what alternative do you propose?

That Ukraine fight on indefinitely, bleeding itself dry with no long-term plan for stability?

That the West pour in money and weapons forever with no plan for what happens after?

War isn’t just about winning it’s about what comes next. And what comes next isn’t decided by who suffered the most; it’s decided by who controls the resources, the alliances, and the future economy.

Crumblebee8 · 01/03/2025 18:11

RubyTuesday48 · 01/03/2025 17:59

No it isn't like WW2 but it does have similarities to the 1930s with appeasement that still led to a war that we were militarily unprepared for.

It's not the same at all because back in the 1930s countries could fight each other with troops and bombs, without nuclear weapons in the mix. If we went into an all out war with Russia today, all of humanity would be wiped out, so it isn't an option.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 01/03/2025 18:13

Arrivals4lucky · 01/03/2025 13:15

Good luck negotiating with a dictator. Putin INVADED a peaceful country, claiming an ancient right over their land - sound familiar?
Appeasement didn’t work before and it won’t work again.

This.

Of course we should be involved.

Not only is it morally right, not only did we promise to protect Ukraine’s borders, but it’s also in our interest. Putin will be after not just the countries that former russia’s Soviet empire but the whole of Europe.

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 18:24

Keir Starmer welcoming Zelenskyy

"As you heard from the cheers in the street outside, you have the full backing of the United Kingdom. That is the people of the UK coming out to demonstrate how much they support you the the people of Ukraine"

user9876543211 · 01/03/2025 18:26

petermaddog · 01/03/2025 18:07

any body seen obama biden clinton or even a interview
may niece said their bags are being packed to leave

Huh?

Tekbrobillionaire · 01/03/2025 18:30

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 18:24

Keir Starmer welcoming Zelenskyy

"As you heard from the cheers in the street outside, you have the full backing of the United Kingdom. That is the people of the UK coming out to demonstrate how much they support you the the people of Ukraine"

Don’t cheer for a war you’re not prepared to fight in yourself or see your family members go off to fight first.

Anonym00se · 01/03/2025 18:32

Tekbrobillionaire · 01/03/2025 18:30

Don’t cheer for a war you’re not prepared to fight in yourself or see your family members go off to fight first.

They’re not cheering for a war, they’re cheering a country.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/03/2025 18:34

petermaddog · 01/03/2025 18:07

any body seen obama biden clinton or even a interview
may niece said their bags are being packed to leave

Can't say I blame them.

Dictatorships have a habit of imprisoning (and executing) previous opponents and their families. I'd have been out the door by the morning after the inauguration.

Wildflowers99 · 01/03/2025 18:39

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 18:24

Keir Starmer welcoming Zelenskyy

"As you heard from the cheers in the street outside, you have the full backing of the United Kingdom. That is the people of the UK coming out to demonstrate how much they support you the the people of Ukraine"

Bloody proud of the UK.

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2025 18:39

Tekbrobillionaire · 01/03/2025 18:30

Don’t cheer for a war you’re not prepared to fight in yourself or see your family members go off to fight first.

Nobody’s cheering for a war.

Tekbrobillionaire · 01/03/2025 18:39

Anonym00se · 01/03/2025 18:32

They’re not cheering for a war, they’re cheering a country.

Oh really? So let’s cheer for some other countries too then. May as well be inclusive. What a dim comment.

Reetpetitenot · 01/03/2025 18:40

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 13:13

I didn't realise there are so many war hungry people here.
I think the solution should be diplomatic negotiations and peace.

So why isn't Trump telling Putin to withdraw his troops from Ukraine and stop the war now? All Putin has to lose is his pride. If all parties go with what Trump is advocating, Ukraine stands to lose thousand of s km of territory plus vast mineral wealth.

So basically, Trump's idea of peace is to massage Putin's ego, get his filthy mitts on Ukraine's natural resources and maintain his own and Putin's hubristic tendencies. D'you see why that might not be a great idea.

No one in Europe wants this war, least of all Ukraine, but why are you expecting Zelenskyy to roll over and not Putin? Putin is using Russians as cannon fodder. Why are you not questioning his actions? Are you a Putin apologist? Putin (and Trump) have lied, and lied. It is not Zelenskyy who is the bad guy here. It is not Zelenskyy who should be giving up his country to two greedy depots.

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2025 18:41

Tekbrobillionaire · 01/03/2025 18:39

Oh really? So let’s cheer for some other countries too then. May as well be inclusive. What a dim comment.

Cheer for who the fuck you like.

Anonym00se · 01/03/2025 18:41

Tekbrobillionaire · 01/03/2025 18:39

Oh really? So let’s cheer for some other countries too then. May as well be inclusive. What a dim comment.

Why would they cheer Zelenskyy to show support for other countries? Yours is the dim comment.

Lyannaa · 01/03/2025 18:42

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/03/2025 18:34

Can't say I blame them.

Dictatorships have a habit of imprisoning (and executing) previous opponents and their families. I'd have been out the door by the morning after the inauguration.

It’s quite scary that we’re having to talk about this stuff seriously isn’t it? It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump started executing people at all.

juldan · 01/03/2025 18:42

Crumblebee8 · 01/03/2025 17:49

It's amazing how many people on this thread keep telling others to "study history" and "look at history" when literally their only frame of reference is World War 2. There have been a lot of other wars in the recent past and most of them were not solved by completely defeating the enemy.
I hate to break it to you all but it isn't the 1940s any more, Russia is a fully nuclear armed state and isn't going to be "defeated" like in world war 2, outside of your fantasies. So the best thing is to push for peace and stop the pointless killing.

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@Crumblebee8 No it isn’t 1940s, but you should look at more recent history. In 1989 the Soviet Union was a fully nuclear armed state, but the West (mainly Reagan and Thatcher) had put so much pressure on them through the arms race, that USSR de facto bankrupted itself. This allowed the Central/Eastern countries to break away and regain independence.

If we keep supporting Ukraine, there is a chance the same will happen to Putin’s regime. His resources are not indefinite.He already has to rely on North Koreans for help. Maybe even his own countrymen will say ‘enough is enough’.

On the other hand, if we give him Ukraine the pressure will be off. He will have time to rebuild his finances, replenish his arsenal and then move on. He’s got typical Soviet mentality and believes half of Europe should be his.
And unless the whole regime crumbles, there will be someone else to take over when he dies.

Tekbrobillionaire · 01/03/2025 18:42

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2025 18:41

Cheer for who the fuck you like.

I’m not a war monger so I won’t be fucking cheering.

Blackbird84 · 01/03/2025 18:45

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 13:13

I didn't realise there are so many war hungry people here.
I think the solution should be diplomatic negotiations and peace.

You can’t do diplomatic negotiations, to get peace, with Putin.

Lyannaa · 01/03/2025 18:45

Tekbrobillionaire · 01/03/2025 18:42

I’m not a war monger so I won’t be fucking cheering.

What if your country gets invaded? I assume you’d not expect any support from allies for yourself and your children.

PorridgeOatsSuck · 01/03/2025 18:45

If Europe falls so does the UK and the US economically speaking. Game over.