To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

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After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia.
Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase.
AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

We’ve been at war with Russia since at least the run up to a Brexit. A cyber war lasting almost a decade. We’re now on the precipice of a physical war.

They will not stop until they defeat the West.

They have already installed their Trojan horse President in the US and have various others across Europe such as Farage, Orban, Le Pen and ADF.

We’re on a tightrope but we cannot give in or fail.

We're not fighting this war alone with Ukraine.

but that's only when every single thing is the same, as sometimes you have to take a risk, what's the alternative wave after wave of body's , then what and victory at what cost ? if Europe burns as a result then what ?

Most sensible post I've read. I suspect that there's not many who would make the ultimate sacrifice or send their family members but expect others to go to the battlefield.

@spuddy4 Very much apricated thank you

It's amazing how many people on this thread keep telling others to "study history" and "look at history" when literally their only frame of reference is World War 2. There have been a lot of other wars in the recent past and most of them were not solved by completely defeating the enemy.
I hate to break it to you all but it isn't the 1940s any more, Russia is a fully nuclear armed state and isn't going to be "defeated" like in world war 2, outside of your fantasies. So the best thing is to push for peace and stop the pointless killing.

This military family has no choice. Two of its members have careers in the armed forces. If they become boots on the ground we will be immensely proud of them.

I am amazed you see this as a choice personally. It’s not a choice. Russia are not going to give up and go away are they? Deal or no deal. A war of attrition will eventually run Russia’s resources into the ground.

you wish the war of attrition would win, run the numbers etc its wishful thinking
the economic and military costs alone would bankrupt nations and then reduces entire populations to ghosts.

Do you think a deal will hold?

what choice is there but to try and see,

@Biscuitsnotcookies what has Russia done to our country that warrants sending troops to die? I don't mean what do you think they'll do because there's no way you can possibly know this, only Putin can, I mean what have they actually done that's worth dying for? There's no glory in war only innocent lives lost.

@spuddy4

UK signed the treaty

https://1997-2001.state.gov/regions/nis/fs-us_ukr_970618.html#:~:text=In%20January%201994%2C%20the%20U.S.,the%20Nuclear%20Non%2Dproliferation%20Treaty.

I know. It doesn't matter in this case because some media outlets and writers will be very-pro Trump. That's to be expected.

The Russian government has murdered a UK citizen living in the UK via their attempt to murder the Skripals. It is as simple as that. We are definitely in a serious state of conflict. That’s before we get to the hacking, the attempts to cut our undersea cables and buzzing our air space. It’s time to seize AND USE all assets of Russians in the UK that we know are close to the regime. All property, all money, the whole lot.

No it isn't like WW2 but it does have similarities to the 1930s with appeasement that still led to a war that we were militarily unprepared for.

History tells us Putin can’t be trusted so you can hardly blame Zelenskyy for questioning their integrity.

No one wants the war to continue, but the fact is Trump is prioritising a MINERALS deal over and above the death of tens of thousands of Ukrainians. The war isn’t over and he is already totally disregarding the carnage.

Good Lord. It is just shocking. People are dying as we speak and Trump is lining his pockets with their blood. I’m appalled.

I have no faith in the ‘peace’ deal if one were to even exist.

Are you serious???!

Russian agents smeared a toxic substance on A British property hoping to kill a Russian family and dumped what was left. In doing so, they murdered a British citizen and made several other British citizens seriously ill.

I’m sick to death of wars and power struggles. Power hungry mad men! Ruining the peace of the majority that just want to live in harmony, but no fucking no. It’s the younger generation that are sent out with their rifles and bombing equipment to do that actual fighting whilst them narcissistic bastard hide in their bomb and bullet proof residences. It makes me sick. The ‘leaders’ should get in amongst it but they won’t risk their owns lives, but they’re more than happy to throw younger innocent population to the lions.

Greedy, never satisfied, power hungry dictatoring bastards!

Eh? The choice is between ‘strategy or self destruction?’ How is this the most sensible post? It makes no sense? Strategy or self destruction - What does this even mean?

Not your concern you mean.
Please don't attempt to speak for anyone else.

Would Ukraine help the UK in a war and provide us billions in weapons, cash and free training for troops? Or how about house UK citizens too and dole out free benefits and cash and whatnot?

The answer is a resounding no.

This is all on Zelensky, and thankfully Trump handed him his ass back and booted it out of the White House.

As much as Putin is to blame for the war, Zelenksy allowed it to happen because he was too engrossed on sucking off NATO. And look where thats got him.

The USA is right - why should their taxpayer money fund this bullshit war that the USA has neither started or has a horse in the race for?

US taxpayers are being fleeced and the likes of Zelenksy will never pay a dime back.

Kudos to Trump and JD for their stance - Zelenksy thought he was clever by trying to embarass the hand that feeds him - instead, he got a royal fucking bitch slap - all while the worlds media was watching it.

Serves him right.

@Maray1967 so we send our army over for that? I think we need to look at our own sketchy behaviour because the British haven't been saints in the past either so should every country we've wronged come here to put that right? At what point do you stop looking back and look at the present and the future?

Capitulation is not peace.

Putin has already broken all of his deals with Ukraine in the lead up to the 2022 invasion. And Putin has made it very clear he will make no concessions. There is NO DEAL.

People will use World War 2 as their reference point. Many of us were raised by those who fought in it (I was partly raised by my grandparents) and have heard their first hand accounts and we will always be extremely grateful to that generation for our freedom. We are proud of them and take our example from them, scoff all you like. The times may change but human nature does not and what we are seeing in putin is the same megalomania we saw in hitler.

Capitulation is not peace.

I didn't realise there were so many stupid people on Mumsnet. Gone are the days when it was full of educated intellectuals.

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